I did the adjustments and the bike feels MUCH better!!
So, in the front. I'm at 4 in in preload instead of 10 (stock 5) that left me with 35mm of SAG:
- 4 out rebound
- 5 out compression
For more front feel I will be trying in a progressive way 4-3-2-1 with the rebound setting.
In the rear I'm at min preload and 3 out compression which gives me 40mm of SAG.
Thank you very much Dave! Please send the PayPal invoice.
Hello Dave, how are you ?
My name is Stefan. I am 37 years old and I live in Germany (Bavaria).
I have been riding a Suzuki Gsxr 1000 K6 for almost 12 years now and in the past 3 years I started to learn more about suspension setup and settings and tyre wear.
I have experimented with different setups to see how it works and to get a better feeling for my bike. I watched some Youtube Videos from Dave Moss as well to learn more about it !
This year I have replaced both tyres with a Conti Sport Attack 3 which is a really great street tyre. After riding a couple of kilometres I could see that something was strange with my rear tyre wear.
It seemed to be too rough, too much rubber balls and later cracks on the surface and it looked for me like a hot or cold tear (I thought first).
So I tried different pressure- and shock setups but nothing really worked !! I only ride on the street and I have never had the problem before with different street tyres!
I don´t really have the experience to decide what caused this wear. That´s the reason why I got in contact with Dave. I told him about my problem and sent him a few pictures of my tyre wear!
Anyway, Dave replied very quickly and told me that this wear is caused by a wrong geometry where the surface of the tyre is overheating because I changed my tyre size from standard 190/50 to 190/55.
It was really interesting for me because I rode different tyres before with size 190/55 and I couldn`t see that problem on the rear tyre but the compound of the Sport Attack 3 showed me that!
So on my bike it’s a bit difficult to change shock preload (not enough space to work on it) so I changed back to standard tyre size 190/50!
After a few hundreds of kilometres and lots of throttle outside corners the tyre wear looked great in my opinion and Dave also confirmed me that!!
So after all, Dave did an awesome job and gave me such amazing and useful information, I couldn`t believe that only a slightly bigger tyre could cause a wrong geometry and a poor wear!
And without Dave`s help, surely I would have experimented into the wrong direction!
Thanks a lot Dave for your support and your professional help!!
Dave Moss – Remote Suspension Tuning Summary in Austria/EU
- and 19.09.2018 – Brno Curcuit Czech Republic
Arnold from Austria, Bike: 2017 Aprilia Tuono V4 RR
Track: Brno - CZ (MotoGP Track):
- Getting help in finding good suspension setting for my bike and riding style
- Improving the handling of the bike / getting more confidence in riding
- Tire wear / duration of the tire was a big issue as well
- Maybe some hints, tips and tricks about setting up the suspension
About the setup of the remote tuning:
I got in contact with Dave via email and asked for a remote tuning session for my Aprilia. I got within a couple of hours a feedback (mind the time shift of 9 hours to my local time). It was very uncomplicated to arrange the tuning, no up front payments needed – the topic was in focus not financials. Dave really took time to understand what I need and I expect from the tuning.
All current settings I have sent to Dave in front of the track day at Automotodrom Brno in Czech Republic with some pictures of the tire from my last track day at Slovakia Circuit in Slovakia.
He advised a set of adjustments I should try out and give feedback – that was a good way to overcome the time shift, because morning in US was already afternoon in EU, so most of the training sessions were already done.
After running all the settings I have sent to Dave for each setting my personal feedback and pictures of the tires via WhatsApp.
WhatsApp is the preferred way because phone calls are not that easy to do in such a noisy environment like sitting in the pit with a lot of track action ongoing. He proposed some adjustments to my favorite settings to improve tire wear and get me confident in the suspension.
- being hard on gas my backhand was pumping especially at the uphill section at Brno before the start/finish line chicane.
- after tighten/slowing up the rebound of the shock step by step it got better each time until it was perfect for me – not suffering in other sections.
- after the tuning the tire wear pattern looked very good.
Front: after tuning
Back: after tuning
What did I learn?:
- Don’t bet too much on the opinion of your pit colleagues because
- They may have a different bike
- The suspension may be different
- They are using different tires
- They may have a different weight as you have
- Different riding style and skills
What is good for them does not mean its good for you as well!
- Note everything you know, all settings, temperatures, measurements you are doing, more information leads to better understanding what’s ongoing and how to treat it. Just having a feeling and turning screws wild leads to nothing good.
- Make also huge adjustment changes to really feel what’s the effect on it, getting better, getting worse – note directly after you hop off the bike what your thoughts are, the first impression is gone after a couple of minutes if you do not write it down.
- Be careful with setting up the suspension, take time for it, adjust according the plan, no guessing and adjustments on feelings and believes, stay on the plan what you make before for not losing track and focus what you want to achieve.
- Take the suspension as soft as possible which fits to your riding style – improvements in lap time needs to have some slight adjustments as well, also ambient and track temperatures are effecting suspension much more than expected.
Output what you can get from the remote tuning.
- I gained great understanding of how to set up the suspension – knowledge transfer – Dave is very kind to share. All asked questions are answered sufficiently and as questions can be random verses well organized.
- Also try “out of scope looking” settings – trust the great experience of Dave, maybe that’s a setting which fits you better than you expect – at least you learn a lot about your individual suspension and how it performs.
- You will find well tuned suspension settings for your riding style and skills which you can gain trust in because you have a better understanding.
- The tire wear was improving significantly in two directions – the wear pattern was improving much in the front and back (means grip) as well as the duration/life of the tire improved a lot (abrasion). Even when getting faster on the track the tire lasts longer. Just to illustrate what that means. Before the adjustments, a fresh – brand new tire was gone to 1/3 after 3 Stints (20min). After the tuning the tire looks pretty much new after 3 training sessions and a race at the end – I’m sure this tire lasts for at least 3-4 days now which is an increase of about 250-300% in duration with same or faster lap times!
- At last a base setting you can start working on for each individual track you are at – with asking a lot of questions I gained a know-how of what to do next track day if something feels strange – only small adjustments are needed.
I can highly recommend having a session with Dave – best would be face to face but the remote tuning session worked better than my expectations. That’s because of the huge experience Dave has in this area.
As much information you can give to Dave, he can advise how to get you and the tires to be better. Making pictures, sending the settings you have done with the comment how it felt to you… what is getting better, what is getting worse etc…
One thing which could be improved is that Dave is asking more questions about the feeling of the bike – maybe that was not needed due to the notes I have written down.
First I want to thank you for your effort to make all the videos. I watch them since about a year. Thanks for your recommended settings. My lap times and tires were now much better and smoother.
I was again on track last weekend. That was my absolute reference track. I smashed my time about to 2,5 Seconds
Just wanted to share this with you. I’ve sent a lot of time on your site and watching your premium content. And would just like to say thank you. I’ve been dropping time like crazy and finally have the bike setup near perfect.
As I’ve gained speed I’ve been able to add or remove clicks with confidence. As well moving from Track to Track being able to change my setup and still keep the bike happy.
I was able to do a personal best at Buttonwillow this weekend. 1:55 with traffic.
Again just a thank you for sharing great content your knowledge to the world. I’ve attached some pics of my nice beach looking tires 🙌🏼.
So as I hoped, I had my track day this last Thursday, and I took a few notes and photos, which I’m hoping you can have a look and give me some pointers. The day was a bi shorter than I expected as there were fair few crashes and track time got reduced a bit (I ended up not having time for the last session of the day).
From the day, I can say that the bike turns in better and easier, I’d say that this is a result of dropping the front as discussed. Also the Michelin Power RS is much better that what I had before, and I never had any issues. Naturally I took my time getting up to speed to make sure that the tyres warmed up, especially considering that they were brand new and I don’t use warmers.
As for suspension I wanted to poke your brain a bit more as to if it is possible, but more importantly worthwhile (or just a waste of money) to upgrade my suspension, either by changing some, or all the internals of the forks, or changing the whole front end altogether. I suppose what I’m not sure about is “how bad” the forks are, and if the fork body (the black outer tube and the shinny inner tube) could work with different components, and (and this is a big and) if someone like me would really tell the difference?
Thank you so much for your comments and patience. You’ve really given me great help and guidance (seriously)!
Thank you Dave!!!
Thanks so much for your help today, the bike felt amazing by the afternoon!
I didn't get a chance to connect with you before I had to leave, so I rode home on the track settings - lots of "feedback"!
These are the settings we ended up at, would you be able to give me some street settings based on these?
Front: REB: 14 clicks from hard COMP: 7 clocks from hard
Rear; REB: 11 clicks from hard COMP: 10 clicks from hard
I entered settings you gave me, including tyre pressure up to required psi.
As so as I started out of my main street onto the straightaway I knew it was different, as in softer and the bumps I usually felt were kinda no drama!
I headed for the place I usually ride, and to be honest I was looking for something to be not quite right etc lol considering what is was like before a stiff as a board in the front I felt everything in my wrists.
From where it was its a totally new bike to ride.
The zip tie was 30mm from the bottom casting so I just left it alone because it was so enjoyable to ride with let me tell you, like 99% full confidence in the front end which I never had (it was always twitchy and if you hit a bump mid corner you would **** your pants) but now it soaked it up no trouble so I'm really stoked Dave, truely.
Is it perfect, prob not but from where it was its 100% better. I'm a realist so I know it could prob be tweaked on more but for the moment with the roads iIride and my riding ability I'm calling it good for the next few rides until i get familiar with the new settings.
Once again Dave i thank you sincerely as your help is invaluable once again.
Thanks again mate, I'm one happy kangaroo
AS A ROADRACE MOTORCYCLE NEWBIE..
I started at California Superbike School. First track day, bought a 2013 salvage Daytona 675 within weeks and completed 8 full trackdays on Nov 19th.
I learned more from a half day private lesson from Dave Moss at $350 than from 2 days with CSS (this included his complete suspension set up of your bike).
I liked the fact that Moss's personalized teaching is derived from his lead follow video interpretation of your style. He adapts your particular "idiom" to the necessary series of events that MUST occur during your laps to increase speed and safety, while NOT enticing you to adopt difficult to attain body positions, lean angles, or "too fast too soon" issues.
This guy knows more about going fast than most, but tailors concepts of attaining speed to you and how you ride. I continue to reexamine that day's voice over video from Moss...when I feel as if I've cleared most of my beginner hurdles, I will repeat.
- Static sag hot - unknown will run hard on the road and report back.
- Fork travel - unknown will run on road and replicate braking to best of abilities and report back. (Zip tie on the fork leg?)
- Fork oil and fork height are factory.
It was nice to finally meet you at Sonoma this past weekend. I appreciate the time you took to make the tweaks to my R6's suspension, but more importantly the education on WHY you made the changes you did and HOW to eyeball for what's going on with the tires and how that connects to my riding. It helped me get a bit deeper understanding of the bike/rider as an interconnected "system" being applied in the track environment.
Also, it's nice to have an experienced, accomplished racer give some tips and encouragement to a newbie like me. You obviously had plenty to do so I really appreciate that you gave a few minutes of focused attention to offer patient explanations to my novice questions. Thanks again!
You have no idea the tremendous amount of help you have been to me and
the amount of knowledge I have gained from a few simple emails and watching
a couple hours of videos on your site. I can't say thank you enough!
If there is anything I can do to help promote your business/services or even
on a personal level please don't hesitate to ask. You are what every
vendor/supplier/ and instructor should be rolled into one very
I'm sure I will be bugging you again with some simple nonsense I cant
figure out or don't yet understand but I have a base knowledge enough to
discuss, understand, and start the tuning process on my own.
Thank you again Dave,
The man is a legend in my book... top bloke 🙂
Thanks Dave, for all your help and guidance.
I didn’t get a chance to return to ProItalia to thank you again for the tune! I enjoyed the ride so much that I kept going. My Blue R6 actually turns now.
It was a little funny how shocked you looked when I told you I ran it at Buttonwillow with the previous setup. I feel a lot more stable on the bike and my confidence approaching the corners has significantly increased.
Thanks for saving my life. Thanks for doing what you do. And thanks for being the best at it.
From here on out, I only trust Dave Moss with my suspension tuning! Cheers!
Dave set up my bike the improvement is unbelievable, I’d recommend anyone who rides get it set up by dave.
Thanks for showing me the process of how to learn; having a ‘map’ of how to approach it. I understand it is a process and a dynamic one over time and changing conditions but now feel I have a better understanding of what/how and why each setting should be approached. I like starting with one thing and changing it 25% and then another +25%, making notes and arriving at too much one way or the other and then working back and forth in smaller increments to find the right setting. As my understanding grows and the fear of unknown goes away with experience I am now confident I will soon have a setup that both works and gets the bike geometry with me on it to work in balance. Today’s ride after two days worth of stop/settings change/start/stop was fantastic, best the bike has ever felt.
Amazing! He’s a great coach, straight forward and honest. Even though my time with him was short, not one second of the whole hour was wasted. He gauges where you are skill wise and adjusts as needed. Got my list to work on. The videos are great!!! He is truly dedicated to helping riders in this industry.