This weekend I had some time to try new settings riding with my wife.
It was like a dream!!!! Thank you..Everything works great suspension wise.
Nicko Koutsioras, Athens Greece
Before I ask for your advise I need to say that subscribing to this site was one of the wisest thing to do in my riding evolution.
I simply cannot get enough of your videos and knowledge. I feel I can seriously tune suspension on sportbikes now.
You sir are a revelator for every motorcycle rider.
Robert Elter (Remote Tune)
I tried the new settings on my bike.
Even in my wildest dreams, I didn’t think it would result in such drastic changes (in a positive direction, of course 😉).
Thank you very very much, thank you for your help, you are a fantastic professional !!!
Congratulations, nice work !!!
Cat McLeod, California USA
Hard to believe I'd never run PTT at Thunderhill. Oddly my weekend was defined by watching people crash in front of me while I just kept carefully passing people. Now with suspension installed by MCTech and Catalyst Reaction then dialed in perfectly by Dave Moss. I'm actively adjusting my tire pressures to get things just right. I have more confidence at lean angle. Now starting to experiment more with body position as I can do things now that last two years I couldn't do because of my hips. Next step is wider bars and another full couple of days of pro coaching to finish the season much faster than I started.
Ryan Coleman, (Remote Tune) Daytona 675R
Thank you for getting back to me so quickly. Finished setting up my preload thank you for all of your help. Still playing with the Compression and rebound, your videos are very helpful.
I had a down from a stop sign in the beginning of the the year, very low speed just one of those “dammit” moments. Confidence was a little shot and unfortunately this area kinda sucks for that kind of bike.
Didn’t get much saddle time this summer but after making those adjustments it feels like a brand new bike and is very confidence inspiring. I always thought my suspension was too hard and wasn’t comfortable but with the preload adjustments I had to add more and even though it feels stiffer it just feels so much better.
I actually feel like I have grip now and again very confidence inspiring. I can’t wait until spring when I plan to take the class and start riding track.
Thanks for everything you do and after playing with my Daytona’s suspension I am much less timid on playing with any future bike. But now it’s getting cold and soon I’ll have to winterize the bike.
Brian Ciancio (Remote Tune) Ducati Supersport S
I wanted to share these images, the bike gets better n better each time. Can’t thank you enough.
Also nice work on helping another SuperSport rider. There is a 30min video on the forum.
Thank you so much for responding. I didn’t think you would, as I imagine you must get swamped with questions like these on a daily basis. So I’d like to thank you for taking the time. Really means a lot.
Ok, I understand your explanation perfectly. But I have another question about preload if you don’t mind? I have an ’08 Daytona 675 track bike, with stock forks, except for RaceTech rebound and compression gold valve kits + RaceTech springs for my weight + gear. My sag is set up + ride height. My preload is almost fully out, 6 lines showing on the stock adjusters and yet I know I’m not using the full travel because my tube marker (zip tie) is 23mm from the foot of the fork.
I’m curious if you would have any thoughts on the matter? And thank you again.
P.S. Great video on the Ohlins fork oil and seals rebuild. It’s what I needed to see as I have the same forks on my 1098S. Really intuitive, so thank you again.
Jordan James, Canada (Remote Tune)
You’ve once again transformed a bike for me. It went from a pogo stick to something that sucks up every bump and stays stable on bad pavement.
I ride to work on a road that has for lack of a better word a trough across it. It used to rattle the fillings out of my teeth. This morning I went across it and it felt like a tar strip. It was 4 degrees Celsius on my ride, and the dampers weren’t even warmed up.
Best 53 dollars Canadian I’ve spent on my bike.
Good job Amigo!
Gianmarco D’ambrosi, Italy (Remote Tune)
you're number one
never meet a people so clear in explaining bike things!!
and your videos are awesome
greetings from italy
Brad O’Neill (Remote Tune) Yamaha R6
Hey Dave, wanted to follow up on our last session. I got some miles on it now and have some feedback
Going from 7 to 16 clicks out on front rebound as you had me do really stabilized the bike. Everything is nice and level while riding, bumps are handled well and the bike holds lines very well. I intentionally hit a known pothole going a pretty fast speed and the bike soaked it right up, I barely noticed it.
I tried 1.5 rings on front preload and was a little soft plus sag was too much so went back to 2 rings.
Rechecked my sag numbers right after I got home earlier when the bike had been ridden hard on some very twisty roads for 2 hours so everything was nice and hot. These numbers are in my normal full street riding gear
Front Sag: 41
Rear Sag: 32mm total
Total Fork Travel: 95mm (out of 115mm per the R6 manual)
i.I had to reset my bottom out sharpie mark after we last spoke as I had it set to 120mm but when I double checked the R6 manual it says 115mm travel
ii.I did some moderate braking to a full stop and I was on windy roads and had some good lean going on for the street
iii.I think I should be good in the event I need to really lay on the brakes hard
Overall the bike feels excellent and I am much more confident with it knowing it is balanced, responsive, and that I am using most of the front travel but have some leftover in case of an emergency.
Let me know when you have some time to burn our last 10 minutes on FaceTime so we can chat again.
Thanks again, hopefully the heat subsided some for you out there!
Karim Abbany (Remote Tune) KMT690R
We used your recommended settings and have done a 100 km ride on tarmac ... The bike is marginally lowered and have been advised against lowering it much further... so I’m on the balls of my feet and I should get used to this.
I had also installed handlebar risers and all in all I enjoyed the ride. I need to spend more time on the bike and will let you know If there are any other issues.
No problem Dave,
I know you are busy. I always ask you before i change something for safety reasons. I don't want to do anything stupid and risk a crash. But I also have a book full of notes.
I watch your videos and I write down what you say. I read them before I go to the track and try to plan the next changes that might help me to improve in a safe way.
Thanks again because without you I would have quit riding at the track, cause trying to reach national championship level times safely is not an easy task to do it by myself.
Forcing a bike to do what you want to do with wrong set up can get you in big trouble. Knowledge is required.
I definitely ran into braking issues with my power 2s,as a novice track rider, figured I'd ride um to the limit, learning.
Now at the pressures that I need to keep them to give good wear,( sandy beach) they are now keeping me from getting better.
I would like to buy a set of power cup 2s. ( I've had tire warmers and a generator for some time waiting for this day) do you think I'm ready?
Thanks again for your paid site, I never thought I would understand suspension, but I got her dialed in thanks to you.
Peter Thomas, Japan (Remote Tune)
Good morning Dave. I hope all is well with you and yours.
I’ve dropped the front twice now (3mm each time) and got into the mountains today. I was a bit worried I’d be leaning on my wrists too much with the front down 6mm. But worries be gone – wrists are fine after a 300km day! I do it again tomorrow back home, and drop them another 3mm down to 9. I’ll keep going until I’m uncomfortable, and then back ‘em off. (right?)
Even at only 6mm I can totally feel the difference in the twisties. Highway is still stable and on the back roads I just have to think where I want to be and the bike is there. Too much fun!
After a week of rain, yesterday and today were stellar. You can imagine the amount of motorbikes on the road… J
Thanks for all the help Dave! All my best,
Scott McFarlin, Los Angeles
I wanted to write and say thank you for tuning my Ducati V2 (street settings) and my friends Ducati V2 (bit more aggressive settings) today. It’s definitely so much better now!
We rode on that twisty road towards Channel Island and back. We talked about getting used to these base settings and ride on them like they are for a bit.
I’ll try to keep an eye on when you will be back down again then we will see if more adjustments should be made at that time.
Have a great rest of the weekend and have a safe trip back home. Talk to you next time you are down here again.
Rick Janes Jr, California
Thanks for converting my 2018 Ninja 1000 sport tourer from a rather Vulcan-esque squatter to something that's very confidence-inspiring and yet comfortable.
Riding home over bumpy Foxen Canyon Road was at a quicker pace and it came quite naturally.
I never thought the stock equipment had so much setup margin for improvement. Expectations well surpassed, thanks again Mr. Moss!
San Luis Obispo
Evan Bates (Remote Tune)
The bike felt stable enough during hard braking but the biggest thing I noticed was how it was turning. The bike felt great it was very easy to steer and easy to get it to go where I wanted. The bike also felt like it was absorbing bumps well it was much more comfortable and less harsh!
Thanks for all the info about suspension tuning and especially reading tire wear. New springs fore and aft,oil change front,have made an enormous difference,can't thank you enough. I now have the knowledge to tune my own track EBR. Thank you 😊
Dezider Mesko, Prague (Remote Tune)
As a father of two, my top priority is safety. My premise is that sooner or later I'll make an error. At that point, I need my bike to work flawlessly to help me. Ergonomy, suspension and tires optimal setup all help massively with this. As a bonus I'm faster.
At the same moment Dave's site is the red pill for me. It is uncovering the sad reality of the motorcycle world - cheap components, lazy setup and maintenance recommendations made by manufacturers. Luckily every time this is coming with Dave's explanation, and possible solutions.
Even after more than a year, I'm eagerly watching every video Dave is producing, and trying to forward the knowledge to people around me. It will help you doesn't matter if your priority is safety or speed.
The T-shirt I've won arrived some time ago, and I've finally had time to take a decent picture of myself.
Fun fact is, that the photo was taken during the change from T30EVO to S22. In this process I've compared stiffness of both tires, cleaned the calipers, and tightened the front fork the correct way - all purely based on stuff I've learned from you.
Take care and best wishes from Prague
Jesse, Baltimore USA (Remote Tune)
I completely forgot to respond to the earlier email after our FaceTime tuning appointment. I just got to say that you are a natural guru when I comes to motorcycles.
Everything you suggested doing and the tweaking we’ve done with the compression and rebound completely changed my riding experience for the better! I really feel comfortable on the bike now. I can’t believe I forgot to write back and tell you earlier but I was really amazed.
Just thought I would say thank you very much for the help it was well worth the money!!
Huge fan of your YouTube channel and all the incredible in-depth explanations that you've put online. I especially appreciate the logical and systematic approach you take when assessing each individual riders needs.
This is my first season riding and you're series on "Learning to Ride a Motorcycle" were incredible. I felt super confident on my BRC course and hope to keep learning riding.
Mark, Europe (remote tune)
Hi and again you lead me to the gold. I’m wrapped mate.I had this bike's suspension rebuilt buy the Italian company that sells these aftermarket high end suspensions and it never was right in the last 18 months.
But it is now really happy.
We first string lined the bike and the wheels giving us a datum to refer back to. Then Checked the manufacturer's recommended measurement from their datums . The bike was tracking ok front to back wheel but we improved it .
Then we looked tyres and pressures thou we knew that was alright . Then stripped the front end apart checking every nut , washer , spacer , alignments and measurements . It appeared like the front forks were out of alignment and subsequently the settings were not running true .
That would explain the previous noises on compression and lack of rebound . We had the bike in the air everything back together and aligned and then applied some weight by lowering the bike and let it all settle . Rechecked our measurement nipped all fasteners upto correct torques and then rechecked all measurements .
The front end no goes up and down as it should with minimum or no noises . It’s nice to ride and feels like a new bike .
Thanks mate your knowledge and assistance is much appreciated best thing I ever did was subscribing to your webpage .
So much of what you show and teach bia your YouTube channel and website many of us older riders know and just need to be reminded of those basics and what we don’t know is very common sense and logical ergonomics of motorcycling which applies to all motorcycles .
Your method of relaying the information is both palatable and informative , easily digested and easy to understand and retain.
Again thanks I’m sure we will be in touch again.
Good afternoon sir. Thank you so much for the suspension work you did on my bike. Rides down the road like a dream.
Andy Hoefer, VIR raceway, USA
Just a quick note of thanks and appreciation for helping me and Kendall dial-in my CBR last week.
It was a pleasure to meet and work with you. My bike is handling great now. Work in progress but having fun and confidently going faster now that my bikes' suspension is “perfect”… and I understand it a little better.
Hope you enjoyed your time at VIR and I hope to see you at the track again soon.
All the best!
Charlie Pantano, Las Vegas, USA
Good morning. I'm an experienced rider (Age 63) who rides a 2003 Yamaha R6 daily.
I was having a problem with my rear tire pattern experiencing severe cupping on the trailing edge of the water slots. It was not until watching your videos and joining your channel that I learned about the importance of shock rebound. My bike has 56,000 miles on the stock rear shock. I do rebuild the front forks myself and maintain new fork oil.
After watching your videos I searched and found a company in Las Vegas that could rebuild and re-valve the stock Yamaha shock. After installing the rebuild along with a fresh set of Dunlop Q3's
I could not believe the difference. I only do spirited street riding but could now actually feel the rear tire track the road surface. Quite a difference. Now with about 1,000 miles on the tire the pattern looks perfect. Cupping completely gone.
Thanks again for your informative videos.
Good morning. I did my first motorcycle trackday with Let's Ride at Buttonwillow Raceway on labor day on a rented Kawasaki Ninja 300.
This past Sunday I did my second trackday with TrackXperience on a rented KTM RC 390.
I want to thank you for your support and all your efforts to educate people. I learned alot riding these different bikes and this unique tracks. Attached is the some pictures from Buttonwillow.
I will send another email with Willow Springs pictures.
Adam Quigley (Remote Tune)
I was very impressed with my virtual tune session on my 2013 BMW S1000RR this past Aug 2020. Amazed at how Dave can inspect a few technical aspects of the bike and determine exactly what changes need to be made. I just completed 2 track days and noticed a HUGE improvement in the feedback from the bike leading to enhanced confidence, proof was in my fork travel zip-tie in the perfect position.
I emailed Dave the morning of the 1st track day to confirm the air pressure based on current conditions, he checked the local weather from his home base and replied within the hour with further support and comments.
Highly recommend investing in this service, your bike will thank you!
Temme Sikkema, (Remote Tune), 2010 R1
Thanks for your quick reply. The forks i will service myself. I saw your how to video of doing '09 forks and with my experience i can do the trick. Big thanks for uploading that service video btw. I don't have the special tools for the shock, so i'll send that to a local suspension shop for service.
With a new lap record and way better tyre wear on the old '05, because of your advise about the shock settings, i will purchase some fork springs and definitely take that advise too!
I think a one time setting will do the trick. If not i'll come back to you. But that will be next summer. For now the cold month are coming, so i am taking things apart and want to prepare the bike for next season.
EDDY L SCHIPPER, S1000XR
We had an amazing day and a half playing all the way from Fort Bragg to Mill Valley with a bunch of favorites in between.
Thank you so much for your help my BMW is so easy to ride fast and it’s beautifully planted.
I really can’t thank you enough.
I would like to sincerely thank you for the expert content you share, helping all of us who try to understand suspensions / trying to improve our bike's suspension performance.
a fan from Greece,
Kristjan Kaldas, Estonia, Remote Tune
Thank you for the help on the CBR.
Had an awesome season with it here in Estonia!
Used your settings and tweaked only a little keeping it tidy during the season. ~7000km of pure joy, did not matter, if I was street Rossi on the shoreline roads or just casually cruising to somewhere, bike felt dialled. Used 2.2bar in both tires, new Metzeler M7RR tyres and I never had problems getting the tyres hot.
Watching hundreds of hours of your videos help a lot in understanding the suspension world. Half a year ago I had no clue what so ever, what those screws do.
Now I have dialed in my bikes and also some friends bikes, they are also amazed, how it can transform a bike.
Anyways, thanks for now, keep up the good work!
YouTube comments August 2020
Ravenova Technologies Asking ALL the right questions, and you have inspired me to keep that “annoying 7 year old” mentality alive! Wonderful content! Like and sub within 5 minutes.
James Mennenga Thank you for this video. I have been thoroughly enlightened by this. I'm wanting to start track days and this is insanely helpful for my comfort... thank you very much!
Ernie Simsek commented: "Legend"
Arlie Bright commented: "Thank you so much for all of your videos!. This is really important to know. When I eventually get to the track, I won't feel so woefully under-educated."
Paul Lonergan As a new rider at 44 years of age, these videos have been instrumental in my learning process. I quickly realised that despite having bought a new ninja 650 (2020), the basically non adjustable settings was lacking. With the knowledge from this amazing channel i sort a recommended professional in my local area. After waiting 12 weeks for the parts to arrive I am excited to finally take my bike in Monday for an Ohlins fully adjustable suspension. I look forward to a much safer experience on the road. Thank you Dave.
Gtknoob Finally z 900 lol... I m using 36 psi front and 40 psi rear .. almost same as the manual recommendation...love the video..
BlAir Akana Great tips. This is the first time ever heard of adjusting the bike to fit you. Very informative.
awesomesauce666 replied: "Dave Moss Tuning thank you! i had a buddy help me setup yesterday. so much better - often when I talk to riders about if they ever setup their sag and I get cold blank stares"
BigBwoyTing commented: "That dude is amazing he's an expert at thus stuff. What knowledge, Amazing. A very good instructor."
me i commented: "These videos have been immensely helpful."
Ricky Very useful information! Thank you Sir! This presentation is clear, concise and immediately useful. Guess I have some work to do. And, I'll enjoy every minute of it!
Nazri Ghazali Very informative video, I will look out for these when I purchase my bike. Cheers!
Back2Bay6 Now that was a cool YouTube video, be rewatching this. Subscribed
God damn it need to change my chain, my first manual bike bought it from January I'm using it every day never cleaned up the chain just started 1 months ago, all the tips u showed...my chain have them...thx man
Love this video, so simply explained definitely subscribing to Dave . Thanks
I did the remote tuning with Dave, just to ask questions and gather info on my two bikes - BEST money ever spent ! Highly recommend it ( I was out of country and it worked great) Ash
Jan de Vries Compliments Dave for the very clear way of explaining these important things! Like it a lot: no nonsense and making clear what's meant. Definitely will look at your other videos.
jim snow Interesting. I'm not a mechanic and I'm learning to work on my bike these days (basics). Went to school, which helped enormously, but once I got into it, I found there was a huge array of unspoken assumptions running, for example, knowing how tight is right tight, and how much I can reef on a seized bolt before it will break. That just comes with experience. I'm learning A LOT from this video, like the rattle gun bit, MUCH appreciated.
Dave, your accent, I can't place it - but I don't need to. This is straight down to earth facts, clearly you know your science and there is none of the repetitive bluster of so many other channels. Maybe thats not an accent, that is the voice of knowledge and experience. This is absolute mustard.
dude great videos. gonna go back and retune my sag and whole setup from my initial setup on the bike. first vid of yours i saw was on fork oil weight selection and it got me thinking. i have a headshake (at certain speed) that i've been unable to pinpoint the cause of... i've done a number of things but i have not done the forks. bike was crashed before me and im hoping the legs arent bent.
Eric commented: "theres a palm reader and now a tire reader. this guy is amazing! wow"
Jishi Katsu commented: "awesome information, , thanks for the video."
Gérard Couture commented: "Just watched your video. It makes sense. I’m currently dealing with some stiction on my CBR also. I will try your advise.
Mark B Just ‘accidentally’ found this video, and boy am I glad I did. 🤘🏼🤘🏼 Sub’d before the video was half done. Looks like I have a lot of viewing in my future, lol. (from this vid., tons of info presented in a through AND clear manner ! ) Well done sir! And a tip o’ the hat. 👍
great video!! imagine riding a 650+ lbs cruiser that you fight with... :} a proper bicycle shop is going to properly fit the bike for you.. they actually measure stuff and give you a proper frame size, seat height, etc.. lots of bike shops are closing these days, but you get the idea. now walk into a motorcycle dealership and buy a motorcycle... i once met a guy in a dealership that had 47 bikes at home. the nicest sale person with the best intentions: he showed no interest in selling me anything but insisted that i tried all kinds of bikes and set-ups.. nothing compares to a person with experience (and good intentions :})
joy koli commented: "very beautiful explained with live example"
dan dan commented: "The Master has given the verdict, only to make your riding better and safer. What a genius!!!"
NBT 3 commented: "Holy Cow this is a ton of information."
Getting back into biking after 20 years off. Bought a 2001 zx6r the forks had been dropped 16mm as I'm 17 stone thought I'd put them back to standard (flush) it's like riding a different bike stable and I'm using all the tyre now. Great videos and I'm learning all the time, a very happy 58 year old.
I've enjoyed learning everytime I check out this channel. Practical help to make you safer and have a better riding experience.
Lee Chun Yen Daniel lee CY commented: "Thank for being a very good teacher who describes the interlocking details and run-on processes. It's a highly-educational series of lessons indeed."
Doin Ok Thankyou for replying Dave I really love your channel mate it’s awesome
N D Lords Hands commented: "You're awesome bro!"
The BackLotHoon Having watched nearly 3/4 of DMT videos on YouTube, I feel very comfortable saying that Dave Moss is to motorcycle suspension what Gordon Ramsey is to fine dining. Love the content, wish I knew a tenth of what Dave does about motorcycle chassis geometry LOL
I follow your flow of information,everywhere it leads me to ...it's just short of enlightenment. That too because we can't meet you in person .. But what information, knowledge and wisdom you prefer to share ...fir free .. Most experts can't do that ,even if paid handsomely.. Suspension geometry,it's effects and intent of design are very well understood ...just because you explain them in layman's language ...you have ste a benchmark , too high for a teacher n mentor RESPECT .. ..GRATITUDE .....
Hey Dave! Thank you so much for your contribution. As another guy said, learned more in 25 min than riding and asking shops for 25+ years of riding! I have recently bought the exact same MTI0 (Yamaha) that you tuned in the video. I dont track ( yet 🙂 ), and I do commuting and weekend rides ( quite fast - located in Greece). I am at 5000Km and the bike has factory settings. Will try the setup you explained in this Vid. and post back. Thanks again for your down to earth, honest, specialized contribution to a field that tends to be "backyard". Be well and ride safe. Cheers
Hi Dave, From Argentina. I have been tunning my suspension myself thanks to your videos, and realized that they know nothing of tunning suspension in the official workshop here. Still finding the right spot but WAY better than before. (Ducati 959) And what you mentioned of the rear suspension is the first thing that I realized with this bike and that I'd better tune it myself instead of them.
Justin Ellis That's really good info and delivered well from the instructor. Good job!!!
Hi Dave. I just want to say how much I appreciate you sharing your knowledge for us to get our bikes set right. I'm way up at 13 rings rear shock preload, and two turns back from max fork preload (16 turns is max) -- to get my rider sag in range -- I'm a "San Antonio medium" weight wise, which is at least 2x the average Japanese rider ;). Fork compression one click from max soft, and fork rebound 3 clicks out. Making those changes, along with getting the hand controls properly positioned and levers adjusted (leaned from your other videos), and the bike is now riding as it should and fitting like a 3x glove, heh. The bike is soaking up the bumps, no longer diving (and bottoming out) the front end, no longer weaving in the corners, etc. Firmly planted. It is meeting all my expectations now. Using your zip-tie test and practicing hard emergency braking and the front is ~25mm from bottoming out. This is all "good enough" for this daily commuter, and now the z900rs rides like my old cruiser did. That you for teaching this man to fish!
Ricardo Juliet commented: "Solid wisdom inside."
moonshinepz commented: "I didn't do that after we replaced my for seals. Shuddering from the brakes was terrible. This is priceless advice."
Last week a good friend of mine rode my KTM 1290Gt and said afterward that my front forks would be "stiff" (means not aligned). What we did was loosen the four screws at the front axle (2 on both sides) and also loosen the screws from the lower triple clamp. Then we also pumped the front fork a few times and tightened the screws starting from the lower bridge downwards with the proper torque. Yes, I could feel it right away. I can't do anything on the KTM because it has a semi-active fork. I have to admit that I never looked at the setup after buying a bike. I just rode it and thought it is okay. "You don't know what you don't know...." and now that I know how it feels like, I know a bit better. My friend also tested my wife's Street Triple 675R and said she would be too hard. Yes, I never looked at the setup, what a shame. I adjusted it softer and drove the street up and down. Even I could tell the difference right away. Thank you for your videos. Btw... with your voice, you could sing or read books. (my wife's words, and she grew up with singer) Blessings to you!
Ash Myrmidons Minions commented: "Awesome as always Dave, thanks for sharing the knowledge, Nice mask 👏"
Derek Miller commented: "Perfect timing on this video, have to do this today! Thank you."
Troy Barnes commented: "Dave brings suspension and tire wear down to my level ... Thank You Sir . Subscribed and bought your app ... Rollin ..."
Steven Fortier I would be surprised if most mechanics take the time to do it right. Seems like a lot of them are just trying to get it done asap. I wish I had a Dave Moss out here in Utah.
moonshinepz I didn't do that after we replaced my fork seals. Shuddering from the brakes was terrible. This is priceless advice.
Ricardo Juliet commented: "Learning is occurring. Thank you Dave!"
Harith Hassim commented: "Thank you dave moss. Learned something really useful."
James Brown commented: "Thank you for your service!"
Damien E commented: "I wonder how many bikes leave dealers without any of this being done properly, never mind those of us messing around at home or at the track? Yet another really useful video.....keep them coming
Stephen Boyce commented: "I had major issues with my BMW S1000R following the replacement of fork seals with the calipers binding. This process is gold - thanks very much Dave!"
Jason Jenkins commented: "This guy is immense.explanations are precise and easy to understand."
Chris Hendry commented: "Dave did a video on this a long time back, I’ve been doing this ever since and it certainly makes your bike run true! 👍"
John Glynn commented: "Spot on Dave 👍🏻"
ala bar I've always adjust my levers Inc rear brake and gear change. I guess being a mechanic and seeing they are adustable it was obvs. I all way set my levers so as I reach my fingers out there right there. No hand movement. The offsetting bars was new to me though. Daventry moss is a jedi !
Jason Jenkins This guy is immense.explanations are precise and easy to understand.
PERTHSCOOTER07 commented: "It’s the little things like this that people miss. 27 years as a car mechanic and I’m still learning stuff like this. Love your work Dave"
Hey Dave, I just watched this and remembered that time you helped me out at Mac Park early this year. Thanks again. I raced the Vitpilen in early March and had sooooo much fun!!!
Michael Cook commented: "Besides your owners manual and shop manual specific to your vehicle, this gentleman is a goto for how to work on and properly set up your motorcycle for maximum enjoyment."
The Big Tex Brew House commented: "Dave, I've been riding for nearly 20 years and I always learn something new when I watch your videos. You have a natural gift for instruction."
D C commented: "I see a dave moss video. I watch, like and watch again."
Nawyek Miquel commented: "Thx Dave. It worked perfectly on my bike. I weigh around 80kg and shortened the spacer by 15 mm and filled 20w oil in. The bike runs like whole new motorcycle. 👍🏼"
brian glendenning replied: "When I buy a racing bicycle my dealer sets it up, to get my position spot on. Motorcycle set up is just as critical. Thanks Dave"
Jitesh Das That is a great demonstration ! Thank you Dave. Will do it on my Yamaha r15 soon
Vítor Nunes commented: "When you know makes all the difference!! Gold hands 👏👏"
Brad Jean commented: "Definitely was taught the proper way thanks Dave"
thanks for this video Dave, I have watched this about 25 time before Mondays track day and then about 40 times since learning. The suspension work you did made my 1000 feel like a 600, it turns in and stays there now! Tires took about 80% less wear per run then as well! Thank you for all you do Dave and thank you very much for all your videos!!! Yamaha R1 #816
Mayank Pandey commented: "You are the best, yes sir👌👌"
Wisucommented “ This is information that explains many things to me.I already know that my bike's suspension was too stiff and I was not able to fully use the suspension potential of my bike. The topic of motorcycle suspensions has absorbed me a lot recently. So far, I have not found such specific information anywhere that would lead me to the correct line of thinking in such a simple way.
Great explanation of captive and free forks.. Had to watch it a few times to ingest and figure out which side was which on my 02 gsxr 1000.. It's opposite of the bike in this video.. Really appreciate your teaching and attention to detail!!
Enrique Cabrera replied: "Dave Moss Tuning thank you sir!"
Jaikanth S Hello Dave, thanks to your videos, I've now setup the static sag on my Versys 650 '16. Really appreciate the immense knowledge you share in your videos.
Bluey Sc'erri commented: "Glad I saw this, It`s good to see a Professional show how it should be done !! >>> Thank You Dave !!"
Bikers On Call commented: "Dave Moss and Simon Crafar (motovudu) are the two best track day sources , no bs, pure knowledge, and practical advice, for both road and track."
M1active Alesis commented: "wow never thought of doing this. thanks"
Matthys Harmse commented: "Brilliant. going to share this with so many home mechanics. thanks for the awesome information..."
UndercoverBiker commented: "Thanks for sharing that much of great and orofessional work in your videos.✌️"
Francisco Javier commented: "Amazing... Great job!!"
Migs commented: "Excellent video. Thanks taking the time to film and edit it and of course for positing it for our benefit. Keep up the good work! -Migs"
Bryan Dorman commented: "Mad respect for this man, truly a motorcycle suspension and geometry guru"
Moto Suzuki commented: "Dave, you are a good man for sharing your extensive knowledge with the motorcycle community."
Mash Ed commented: "Superb. Thank you"
Dead Guy commented: "Thank you top man"
therionman52 commented: "Dave Moss, You're the man! Although it's only a tiny bit of what you know,, I've learned so much from your videos. Thank you for being there for us, it is greatly appreciated."
S Johnson Dave Moss Tuning I think your great! I had a buddy tweak on my stock gsxr 1000 suspension and it made a world of difference. After watching several of your videos I’ve had to adjust the clutch and brake levers. But I still don’t find the bike that comfortable to ride anymore. Again thanks for your videos.
Justin Hayden replied: "Dave, thank you for all your wonderful help."
Bekhaled Kaissar commented: "Thanks I am watching your vedios for learning"
Joe Potthoff replied: "thanks for the reply good video!!"
Dave, I’ve been watching your videos for quite a while. I would like to say that I am truly impressed with your desire to teach... even if folks aren’t absorbing. Well done, mate. We’re getting your lessons.
John Packard commented: "Saw this last night before doing mine set. Much easier this way than what service manual stated. Thanks Dave!"
Jim Carroll Thanks for your contribution. I'm more confident making the same switch as you going from the RS to the Cup 2. Great video with clear temps and pressures. I'm looking forward to my next track days with this tire. Cheers!
Wow this man is such a professional. He knows how and why, is very much able to break it down in a very simple explanation, and does it with such calm and confidence, a little bit of humour, really nice guy. I thought by reading "twist of the wrist" and "total control" i got a lot covered, but far from it. Brilliant tip on "brake, gas, turn", it really really smooths out the in corner focussing on cracking open the throttle and getting through the drive chain slack. Maybe for experienced riders no issue, but as a normal rider trying to learn and build cornering confidence it was really a much needed stepping stone. And yeah these guys are good drivers, but there's a lot going for finding the right teacher who reads your weaknesses on track by the evidence left on your tires and suspension. Very intelligent man. Subscribed..!👍
Dave Mellor commented: "Just found this channel. Thank you so much Dave."
Joshua Mick This is awesome . I'm happy I'm seeing this shortly after getting my first bike and only getting 200 miles on it. Now I can see the proper way to adjust it. Awesome video thanks!
Dave Moss Tuning just an update. Added more oil, went for a test ride, to stiff so i took s little bit out and its perfect. Was able to back out some preload and compression and still has travel to spare on the street. So on the track she should be good to go. Thanks for the advice.
Dennis Jones replied: "Dave Moss Tuning paid for all my needed parts earlier today while at work. All Parts should be in, Accounted for by mid next week. Really looking forward to overcoming this "fear of the unknown"
Himalayan Bikers Alley commented: "Dave -You are doing a fantastic job,the knowledge is precise ,apt and beneficial to all of Us,Great work,much appreciated."
Dave Mellor Every time something new and always easy to follow. I really enjoy.
Charles Albert III commented:
Thanks so much for your knowledge and assistance so far! I’m slowly absorbing know how regarding the tires.....🤯
Would it be possible for you guys to put together a slide show of obvious tire issues that pertain regarding common issues? In your spare(right) time of course.
Today is misting and cooler, so I am lowering pressures as necessary and practicing form and smoothness, but primarily safety....
I can’t sat enough good things about your methodology Dave!!
Manesh Bramdaw commented
“Changes you made were excellent, bike feels alot more comfortable and manageable. I rode for an hour and a bit but weather was inclimate and wet.”
Scott Lampkin Hey Dave, You got my Orange ZX10 to handle perfectly for AFM and track days. I was always amazed you could decipher my "it does this, it does that" language at all those events.
Varun Gardner commented: "Truly love the level of detailed information you share with your viewers - Love from India!
robertpanes commented: "I like Dave Moss and I've only just met him! What a font of knowledge."
robertpanes commented: "Amazing knowledge and way of explaining. Doesn't matter how long one has been biking, we don't know it until it's been explained. Thank you"
Cycle9568 commented: "Dave is the man! He performed his magic on my bike at Reno/Fernley track day one year!"
Kyle Smith It never occurred to me that these things could be adjusted nonetheless should be. Thank you. I have a lot of work to do on my new bike.
Anjin Rider commented: "Nice and detailed video. Good higher level overview of a common problem. Glad to see what works for you David Moss!"
Shan Great explained boss,love listening to you 👍🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Robert Yaryan commented: “Hi Dave, I have have been watching your videos for a long time and the points you make tured my 05 CBR600RR from unrideable to a dream in the corners. Even road the bike from Indiana to the Tail of the Dragon in North Carolina.”
9Lives 2 replied: "Dave Moss Tuning thanks! Great advice like always!"
Q Q I could watch Dave all day long...he is the grandmaster of suspension.
I'm doing my first track day this weekend and just put on fresh tires for it. Glad I saw this video beforehand as I learned something new and it makes perfect sense to me why you did the things, in did in that order. I will redo my front end first thing tomorrow, thanks Dave!
Muppet Well said. Thanks dave , great info as always. You put the words together so well and easy to understand.
Elliott Common sense and understanding at its best, being taught... Cannot get that in today's schools nor colleges.. Rock on Mr. Moss.
BlueThunder commented: "This seriously was important info! Thanks for sharing."
Venkatachalam perumal commented: "An Excellent video. I will change my bike setup."
Brandon replied: "Dave Moss Tuning A reply from the legend himself! Thank you sir for all that you do for the community."
Rick Hunt commented: "I thought this was going to be bullshit, but this video really blew me away. I'm going to have to watch it more than once to fully absorb all this information. It's worthy of study."
Mubeen Mahomed commented: "Thanks Mr Moss brilliant advice👌 Most of us just don't know these intricacies and encounter problems when we least expect it"
I realize that this is an older video, but after watching this I cleaned my 3 year old calipers (installing new pad). I'm ashamed to admit that I didn't know that you could, or rather should, clean the calipers. I had to laugh at myself, after the cleaning I questioned my re-install because I could clearly see the pistons, where before I couldn't--they were just too dirty before! And, most importantly, one piston on each side was sticking a bit. Thanks, Dave. Still learning at age 64
MCAshby commented “Good job on doing one for the FZ 09, there are a lot of questions about the suspensions on them especially the early models - like my 2014. So great job giving us three examples Dave & Dave heh Loving the content, great stuff. Please keep up the good work”
RepresentaGaming commented: "This video is game changing... i had forearm tension like crazy after every ride until i adjusted my bars!"
TwinCam commented: "This guy is a damn legend."
Hjs Racing replied: "Dave Moss Tuning I can take something aways from any one of your videos. Thank you for the knowledge and keep up the good work."
Dave is THE man. Expert on suspension and tires. Having him setup your bike is the best $60 you'll spend. Had him make a few changes this past weekend and immediately felt more confident and picked up some time.
Alex Dragomirescu, Romania (Remote Tune)
Today I had my first ride around the city after the changes you suggested and I can tell you that somehow I feel my bike more fun to drive. I can't explain exactly what changed, but after a strange feeling of instability in the beginning now I like it a lot. I don't know if it's placebo effect, but it's the first time I feel a difference ( a little like the new tires feeling after using the old worn out rubber for a few months)
So...I just can wait to try it on the track again to see the difference there.
Thank you very much again for your time!
In the meantime, I'm watching all the other videos and I have a lot to learn . Great job you are doing, it's a shame we don't have professionals like you in Romania.
I wish you all the best!
Ryan Dumatol, California
Just wanted to say thank you for tuning my bikes last weekend (Aug 30th and 31st).
I had a black cbr600rr and a white s1000r. It was great to learn from you and most especially, enjoy a cold German beer with you on Sunday night.
I look forward to seeing and learning more from you at the track again in the future. Thanks for everything you do Dave!
Peter Thomas, Japan (Remote Tune)
Good evening Dave, and I hope you are enjoying your long Labor Day weekend! Go on any good rides? We were supposed to do the foothills of Mt. Fuji, but the typhoons are in and it’s pretty darn wet. L
Thank you thank you a million thank yous. I went from 80% fork travel usage to ~95% (see attached). I played with tire pressure settings (hard to soft and back up again) and for the riding I’m doing here in Tokyo and the foothills, I am currently running 34/34 psi cold. They are roughly 37.5 psi hot (the front is a little higher than the rear when hot). I can totally feel the difference tire pressure has on the handling of the bike. I know I would not be this tuned-in without your help and guidance. Thank you!
I like the feel of the tires in the twisties with a little more pressure in them, but the expansion joints on the elevated freeways are tooth shattering / butt pounding when the pressures are higher. So i’m happy with where they are for the rides I’m normally on. I can always pump them up a few when I take off into the mountains for a weekend…
I’m not sure what else I can do with the stock Thruxton set-up. It feels “right” for me when I’m on it now, and I don’t know of any other adjustments. Anything else Dave?
Again, THANK YOU for helping me tune it all in. I love riding it, and while I may be 50 I still giggle like a 16 year old when I roll on after a tight curve… J
All my best Dave.
Nicholas Spinicelli, Premium Subscriber
Your Brake Rebuild Content Could Have Saved My Life
I just wanted to thank you for turning my attention to the status of my braking system on my 2007 CBR600RR race bike. I consider myself a well rounded street/track rider, and thought I had all the "major tools in the tool chest." But without the input from you and your team, there are elements that we as riders and customers aren't even aware of that could be a massive concern.
Months ago, I subscribed after you suggested on YouTube that if I feel all pistons aren't moving freely and equally, I should investigate and possibly replace the seals. I just did that and let me tell you, wow... half of the dust seals (4 of 8) were twisted/depressed which allowed a TON of brake gunk to work its way in, leading to the pistons being mostly frozen. I took apart the calipers and replaced all seals within the caliper (except the bleeders, they seem fine). I'm working on bleeding still.
So thanks for making me do that before I hit the track again at 180mph! And I just installed elements allowing it to be converted to street legal, so if that had failed me on the street, you could have saved my life.
Giancarlo De Fusco Izquierdo (Remote Tune)
Tested today... 250miles.... my aprilia with the new settings. Fast corners and long corners... Have no words... It's amazing, It's just another and a better balanced bike. It's so easy to trace the curves, even the inertial changes during hard brake and hard acceleration, they are minimal.
The grip, of the rear tire, is forceful and fast, and the front tire guide perfectly and it's very neutral.
Hope that my explanation makes sense...
Attached picture of cable tie.... Consider that the position of the cable tie is caused under a very strong brake.... 220 km/h to 0km.
Scott Greendyke (Remote Tune) Yamaha MT07, 2019
Holy shit! What a difference! Unbelievable! This bike finally feels planted in the corners and does not have that severe front end dip anymore. Thank you thank you!
Good thing I did the work. Just before I was all finished I noticed a nail in my back tire. I probably wouldn't of seen it otherwise.
Thanks again Dave! You are the best!
Eric Dam, California (Remote Tune)
Followed your instructions. The ride and turn in improved significantly.
The front absorbed the oakland pot holes and not like riding on a jack hammer anymore. I followed your tutorial video on raising the forks 5mm. Which have the most improvement. Dont have to push it into the turns anymore. The bike now follows my sight of line very second nature.
I had to back the rear preload Down (softer) from your suggested 4 notches from the top to 6 notches from Top (stock setting position 3 from softest) Because Of my short inseam 27”. I can flat foot with 1 ft. But the harder Setting I have to tip toe. The hospital parking lot is not the most
Inseam challenge friendly LOL.
Attached are a picture of the zip tie to the fork. I was able to measure sag on the front. 35mm.
This is only commute to work. Have not took it up to the hills yet and I do not ride hard on the streets.
Mikael Delta, Greece
One MEGA thank U is not enough...!!!!
There is always space for improvement! Everyone can move a step up in the ladder of moto-knowledge by watching and learning from you !!! Is the least I/we can say, for the knowledge and the deep details that you are transmitted to us via this channel.
Moral lesson: there is always space for improvement and with your experience, everyone can climb one step UP in the ladder of knowledge in the motorcycle world.
"Discover" you almost 11 years ago by "on the throttle tv" and still learning and understanding the suspension environment...!!!
Thank you very much from sunny Greece!!!
Dan Bruzzone, Remote Tune
Wanted to give you some feedback:
1. I setup the bike using my Motul Slacker for the static sag - it would show between 12-14mm cold.
2. Set the tires to what you had for cold temps. I was only seeing about 4 psi in the front and rear by noon, so ended up dropping two in the rear (felt better and would go up 5 psi off track) and lowered 1 psi in the front (felt a little better). Checked them at the end of the day and they were still good. Wore down the rear to the wear marker on the right side.
3. I just used the first setup you provided. I was only able to go out for seven sessions on Monday and spent the morning sessions blowing off some cobwebs and working on ergonomics with the rear sets so didn’t want to change too much at once. In the afternoon I was riding about 80% and building up my speed comfortably session by session and the bike was fantastic. I didn’t want to change anything, but just focus on riding and I have to say I had a ripping time. I started turning 1:50/51s and it felt like I could do it all day long and it was EASY.
Pre-crash my fastest time around Laguna was a 1:43 and I could knock out 1:45-47s in a session, but it felt like work. I feel that with fresh tires and your setup and some more track time that the mid-1:40s will be easy. THANK YOU!
Rod de Zafra, USA
Good Morning Dave,
I figured out the PayPal process. I’m an old guy and it kicked my backside earlier….
I now have an account and look forward to all the content.
Your site is by far the best resource I’ve found to understand all aspects of proper bike set up.
Corneliu Dobrescu, Yamaha Tracer GT
As I was away for a while and just got back home after watching your videos with lot of interest and attention, I serviced my bike ( Tracer 900 GT) replaced fork oil 10w and 15w, replaced tyers (PR4), made the adjustments for rider weight and ablities and had a 350km ride today.
Fantastic bike and great knowledge about suspension setting and tyers. Still need to replace rear shock as it is at limit. Great job!
Keep it up with the good work! It’s worth every penny!
Eddie, Thailand (Remote Tune)
I made the changes you suggested and will out line my findings below....but first:
Thanks again for all your help! I am really enjoying your premium videos. I am learning a lot! I am taking notes as I find the info to be over whelming.
FWIW I bought the Motool tool to help with my setups. again, on your recommendation. It should arrive to me in Thailand on Sept 1. Thanks.
OK. my report about your suggestions.
1. Prior to adjusting to your recommendations I was using full fork travel but still had 13-15mm left on the shock. (but I could only lift the back up 2-3mm)
2. I adjusted to what you said below (I am 100KG and ride canyon style. 2015 675R. new M7RR tires: 37 front and 40 rear, hot. The tires are hot to the touch). You said no preload adjustment on the shock yet.
3. I took it out and the new settings improved my fork travel. I now am at about 22-25mm. The only issue was it was turning in super fast. I was thinking I just needed to get used to it. I definitely needed to change how and when I entered the corner. BUT I also kinda felt that the rear was getting a bit light. (and it was a hard ride all along). I returned home and watched a few more videos. I found a good one about running wide ( a white board video)
a. After watching that video and thinking about the possible adjustments and how it applied to my settings I thought about speeding up rebound. but I did not.
b. I needed to be able to lift the bike up in the rear about 10mm so I decided softening the preload one revolution (according to your video that should give me about 6mm.).
a. The back did not feel as light. The bike turned in slightly slower (although I like the fast turn in, can I get it to turn in faster and yet keep the rear planted?). I have a firm 25mm of left over travel ie: the zip tie is 25mm from the casting. This is great.
b. Overall it feels good. Softening shock preload also helped with rear tire "hopping" ....tires don't lie! It has improved the wear on the side tires (black and gray dots). I may still need to make a rebound adjustment. I will attach four tire photos.
Thanks again. Back to the videos....and the road!
Jack Olson, Philipines
Hope you are all doing fine. I saw your video about the Z H2 and I am glad to learn new things like that the left fork has the comp and rebound while the right fork has the preload...and that the shock is hard to get to. Of course this is just for learning purposes as I will never in my life be able to afford a liter bike more so a supercharged Z H2.
Ride safely and stay safe to you and your team.
Rainy season came in already in my part of the globe so less rides for the meantime. Enough free time to watch great videos online!
Brandon Rabe (Remote Tune)
I’d like to give HUGE thank you to Dave for helping me setup my stock suspension and new tires on my 17’ CBR600RR.
The first ride out, I felt like I was riding a completely different machine. The lazy turn-in and overall front-end instability were cured and then some.
I not only feel more confident in my riding, I feel so much safer.
Current engineering gives us amazing motorcycles ... but only when they are setup properly for you!!!
By-far the best investment I’ve made in my riding career.
Thanks again Dave and ride safe everybody!
Chris Welsh, UK (Remote Tune)
Thanks Dave for the continued feedback, I’ll adjust rebound "2 clicks out” and see how it feels/looks 😀
I am back at Bedford on Monday all day so will be a good opportunity to incrementally improve the set up.
Also just want to say the subscription to your site is well worth the money, I like the no-nonsense way you present your content, direct and to the point.
Mike Potter, UK (Remote Tune)
To follow up the rear now feels much better. I added 1 click of compression to remove a small amount of squat and which watch how this develop if the setup increases my pace. As a result of the rear I have had to readdress the front. I’ve added 1 click of compression and 3 of preload and now the whole bike feels great.
I checked fork travel and this had 13mm left up from 10mm (due to the additional preload). I’m thinking of returning the preload to the previous setting and lifting the forks from 3 lines to 2 as you suggested.
Lindsay Potter (Remote Tune)
Thanks for the info, track day was great, your comments about Knockhill was spot on, I took three laps each session to warm tyres & settle in before pushing harder, I was pleased I didn’t feel stressed & was riding well within my comfort zone enjoying every moment.
Subject: Great work guys
Just wanted to say I’ve just subscribed for the second year in a row. Keep up the great work guys, I love the videos and they are super informative!
Hope to see you in the not too distant future for a base-line setup.
Chris Welsh (Remote Tune)
30/30 cold worked well thanks. On the third session front and rear was 35/36 and I lowered them to 34 and rear 35 which seemed good for the rest of the day.
Really enjoyed the track, thanks so much for your help. Here's the tyres after the day if you are interested.
Adrian Sprenger (Remote Tune)
I was out today in Italian mountain testing...what can i say ..the bike gives immediately more confidence entering corners , holding long U turns and closing fine !
i had really a nice racing trip today on the fantastic "street circuit 😜" state road ss1 Aurelia ( its the first road constructed that goes straight to Rome) Mountain Pass - Passo del Bracco nearby La Spezia (City) every day this is like a real circuit with motorcycle fanatics from all around. Speed limit is officially 50-70kmh but police don't care and its tollerated because all Restaurants and Bars nearby the street make good money 😂
It would be spectacular having someone like you Dave that makes some suspension lessons and tuning !
Anthony Lazarus (Remote Tune)
I feel like I drastically improved in just 1 day. And I learned a lot about tire pressures and was actually happy to see my suspension was working well and the only thing that needed sorting out was pressures.
The bike felt nothing but planted the entire time very predictable and easy to handle thanks to you lol.
So yeah, hoping to get back in September that's the goal! I would love to go to the ridge too one day.
Adriano Sprinher, Italy (Remote Tune)
Thanks for helping me.
screwed the forks down 3mm and half turn more preload .
I was out today in Italian mountain testing...what can i say ..the bike gives immediately more confidence entering corners , holding long U turns and closing fine !
i had really a nice racing trip today.
My Oil is standard Oil because the bike has only 1400km .
next thing i do is 15w oil !
Now im 2 clicks out and cold its fine ..but after 20 minutes of pushing hard maybe 1 click its better....so we are on limit.
Thank you Dave for your Time.
Brett Cartright, Kentucky (Remote Tune)
Just wanted to thank you your considerable help and service. You’re much appreciated!
The Revised #1 settings you last sent did the trick. I spent 5 hours touring the twisties in N. Tenn and S. Kentucky (Bugtussle) yesterday and your setup suited me quite
I’ve lauded your service on GrisoGhetto.com and my repair shop in Nashville, and hopefully i’ll’ve be sending you some customers.
All bests and again many thanks.
Jordan James (Remote Tune) Ducati Supersport S
What a huge HUGE difference your advice made.
Using your info as a starting point and tweaking it as I rode this is where it’s at as I thought that you’d like to know for our call.
Your numbers are listed first, what I’m using is listed second
Yours - Fork position as is. Preload to maximum and count back 5 turns. Rebound to maximum and back 5 clicks. Compression to maximum and back 8 clicks
Mine - Fork position as is.
Preload to maximum and counted back 5 1/2 turns
Rebound to maximum and back 6 turns
Compression to maximum and back 7 turns
Shock - set static sag at 10-12mm. Compression to maximum and count back 8 clicks. Rebound to maximum and back 10 clicks.
Mine - Shock - static sag at 14 mm 4 1/2 FULL TURNS in from stock- I can’t believe I had to crank it in that far, it was 5 1/4 turns to 12mm sag.
Compression set to maximum and back 7 clicks
Rebound set to maximum and back 11 clicks.
As I said it feels like a totally different bike. It’s more planted in a corner, far more stable in our considerable cross winds and the speed “wiggle” on rough pavement has lessened considerably.
Your recommendations improved the steering, turning, handling and stability of the bike saving me hours of messing around.
100% satisfied with the service you’ve provided me.
I look forward to the call and your shared thoughts.
Tamás Huszár, Germany
I'm just a random guy out of Hungary, currently working in Germany, and just about to do a dump and run on the forks of my small bike. (a Yamaha WR125X)
First of all, keep up the good work!! 😀 The videos you put out are pure gold, both on the technical side, the mindset, and the humour.
Brett Cartwright, Moto Guzzi Griso (Remote Tune)
Thank you your reassuring correction!
My experiences with your two setups:
I did the two rides over the same circuit ~ 40 miles of twisty B road with a good surface.
Both setups to the letter.
The bike really came into focus/balance compared to, what; before..
- taught and compliant over bumps
- consistent and confidence making in turns
- very good but touchy brakes in turns and full stops. Bike maintains turn composure consistently, with no surprises.
- Definitely firmer feel; happy!
- Jarring over quick bumps - at both ends
- nicely taught in turns and under braking
- more aggressive composure overall
- so -
I'm thinking that Ride 1 settings will do preferably for general road work, with Ride 2 settings a good start for track days.
I am not experienced with this weight and power class in a bike, as I've been on a 650cc commuter bike ('84 Guzzi V65C) for the last few years. On Griso over the last weeks I've been doing quite a bit of pLot work plus local twisties to get acclimated. Am lovin' it!!
I truly appreciate your help here!!
Mike DeWitt (Remote Tune)
Bike feels like a good compromise between being planted and absorbing bumps. It is definitely more confidence inspiring.
FYI the fork preload was out 22 turns on initial check and I went in two turns in on the rear shock to get the sag within your recommended range. I will ride it in this manner until I can get some tire wear indication on how well it is adjusted for my riding style see attached.
Thanks again for your help,
Jim Hodgson, California
Wanted to say thank you again for the suspension help on my 959 at Thunderhill earlier this week. I was the guy that kept bottoming out the front forks. Just the adjustments you made that day made the bike feel unbelievably more solid and predictable.
As you suggested, I dropped the 959 with Jesus at DareDevil Motorsports in Sacramento. He's going to take the front apart to determine the right springs. He'll do the rear as well. Unsure if he'll call you (as you mentioned) or maybe that's no longer necessary at this point.
Jesus is trying to get the bike back to me before my Sonoma day with Carters on Aug 10th. If you're there, I'll be sure to track you down for final adjustments.
Again, thanks so much for all the help. It's a brand new bike!
Chad Dodson, California
I have learned so much from you. I have subscribed online annually and will continue to do so. In an environment where truth / honest facts are becoming more rare, I am glad to support someone who is giving back to help others. I am a forever student and am glad to have such god examples.
BIG thanks for all you do. Looking forward to see you tomorrow.
Kevin Warasky (remote tune)
Good morning Dave,
I had my first long ride with the new Michelin Road 5 tires and the new setup on the Ducati SS. I just wanted to thank you again for a great experience. The bike absolutely feels better in every way! Much more predictable with lean throughout the corner with excellent tracking through my lines. The ride is also much more compliant and never unsettled over the real bumpy roads. I can't believe how much confidence I have with the bike. My only worry now is keeping my head in the game since the speeds can be substantially higher with much less effort. This is on me! lol!
Once again, thanks for everything and look forward to the next session.
Stephen MacMurray, Nova Scotia (remote tune)
Quick note of sincere thanks after my two days of track school with the RC51. The level of detail gleaned from your setup videos, plus responses to two previous notes about tire pressure and free SAG, added so much to my confidence in the bike. Lots of pre-school anxiety for this 68 year-old in the days before his 2nd track session, and on a new-to-him bike (not the lightest or flickable ride according to locals 😊). Many remember your recent trip to Shubenacadie here in Nova Scotia.
Applied your 28 rear/30 front pressures in the morning and monitored throughout the day. My previously tweaked rear rebound setting kept the leading/trailing pattern edges flat, and the tire had that even, easily brushed- off dusting of rubber, right to the edge. Stock shock maintained it’s 2-3 mm clearance above bumper. Up front the fork rebound was checked and tweaked mid-day, and as my braking/pace picked up, preload and compression adjusted as per the zip-tie.
Can’t stress how understanding and applying all your knowledge to my bike helped me during the weekend. From my perspective the bike rolled onto the track setup within 90% of my skill level and pace.
Warm regards and continued success!
Corey Arsenault, Remote Tune ZX6R
I bought myself a 2019 Kawasaki ZX6R 636 last year and the first thing I noticed is how stiff it was. Although my 20 year old self bought it lol.
Because of my background with motocross I knew that my suspension settings and setup is very important when it comes to how the bike handles to me and my riding style and also comfortability. Because of injuries that I have suspension was my first priority, so I went onto google and looked up suspension shops and anything else I could find for sport bike suspension tuning.
The name Dave Moss kept coming up so I went onto his website ( this was after checking out others websites that claim they are suspension tuners ) and saw that I could pay him to help me via online/email or FaceTime and that he also has a bunch of free videos on YouTube for suspension tuning of all sorts of different bikes and riders, and could clearly see that Dave knew what he was talking about.
Not only has he been tuning thousands of bikes every year on and off the track, he also has been racing for years and has a boat load of experience in every area of street bikes and race bikes ( basically any bike with suspension ). He is a legitimate suspension tuning professional that is wanted world wide. So it was a no brainer that I needed to somehow get this man to help me with tuning my bike. I was injured in Afghanistan so it was very important to me that I could get this bike riding a lot more smoothly.
I went on his site and setup an online appointment and It was as easy as that. I paid the amount of money asked and he quickly responded with everything I asked for and needed help with and he made sure that I was happy in the end. And to make it even better he had bought the same bike as me. So his opinion of the bike meant a lot to me.
You wouldn’t think that someone could do a good job via email or Skype wih something like is but because of how much experience he has, it was that easy. I noticed a change in my bike immediately and was very happy that I saved myself a bunch of time and money by choosing to pay Dave to help out. The majority of riders I’ve met don’t really fully understand how important your suspension setup and tuning is and how much of a difference it can make for you. Most want to spend their money on cosmetic items for their bikes and never even think of spending any money on their suspension. But that very moment you try out a bike that has been tuned “properly “ for you, it will blow your mind and you’ll ask yourself why you didn’t spend your money on your suspension first. It’s that big of a difference, and choosing someone as experienced as Dave Moss is a no brainer.
He doesn’t ask for too much money and is priced very good. He will transform the way you view your bike ( in a very positive way ) and the way the bike handles to your riding style and experience in a short period of time. I highly recommend using Dave Moss for any of your suspension needs.
I've spoken to a few people that call themselves suspension tuners and Dave was by far the best out of everyone I looked at and he makes things simple and easy to understand. He also is gracious enough to put a bunch of free videos online that you can learn a lot from about how your suspension works when setup properly and how to setup and adjust.
To get specifics, you need to pay on his website but as I said it’s very much worth it. I promise you that you wont regret it and it will open your eyes to the importance of tuning your suspension. I am very grateful for Dave and all the help he gave me and for the things I learned.
Not too long after I went and spent $2000 on a new rear shock that will improve my riding and comfort even more.
Thank you very much Dave. I love my bike even more now that its properly setup.
Justin Huber, Remote Tune MT09
I used the setting you gave and it rides ALOT more comfortably. Included is a pic of the right front fork (Zip tie) after my test ride tonight at normal speeds on our worst roads. Let me know if I should make further changes based on what you see. Thank you!
Joacim Boive (Remote tune)
The bike felt great after the latest changes you gave me!
Improved my PB by 0.7s =)
Even more travel used in the front fork now despite increased compression - but maybe that's because of my increase in speed. I really tried not to wheelie the bike to give a misinterpretation of the data - and as far as I can remember I didn't.
I have issues with lean angle - as in psychological issues. I need to lean more to go quicker but I don't trust the front end grip. Rear seems to have tons of grip. I experienced an increase in grip during this, the third session, where I improved my personal best by 0.7s and the tires were very hot (more so than usual at this track) and you could barely keep your hands on them.
The pressure increased by 0.3 bar both front and rear but unfortunately I had no means to measure the track temperature at this time - nor did I remember to spray some WD40 on the rear shock... I'll do that for the next track day in a couple of weeks.
Now the bike would turn as expected and I didn't have to fight it. The bucking and weaving were more or less gone. On the last corner leading out on the start finishing straight it still moves around a bit but not bad and it's a bit bumpy in that section.
Jason Lewis (remote tune) S1000R, 2018
I have done what you suggested. It's transformed my bike and feels good and confident. I can't thank you enough for your time and support.
Pete Van Dyke (remote tuning)
I have owned my Kawasaki Concours 14 for almost six years and have never been happy with the factory suspension set-up. Not surprising, since I believe the factory sets front and rear settings for a 150-pound rider and I'm, well, a lot more than 150 pounds. I tried multiple times to find a suspension tuner near me, and the best I could come up with was "well, you can ride hours to a track and maybe catch someone there," or "we have a guy who knows a guy who I think does that stuff."
I read a bunch of stuff online about setting up your own suspension and, to be honest, the whole process intimidated me. Also, I didn't have anyone nearby that I could rely on to help me hold the bike, etc (and my wife said no). Then I came across an internet forum mention of Dave Moss and remote tuning.
I provided Dave with my riding habits, height and weight, and Dave connected with me via Facetime, in the comfort of my own garage, Dave had some baseline settings based on my stats, and PATIENTLY walked me through making adjustments to my front and rear suspension after looking at my front shocks and front and rear tire wear.
He had me put a zip-tie on the front fork to measure fork travel, and had me lower my tire pressures based on cold vs. warm tire pressures I typically experienced (I had no idea that suspension set-up can have such an effect on what tire pressures you should be running on the street--I always used factory recommendations).
A couple more emails back and forth with pics of fork travel, tire wear, temperature differences, and how the bike felt, and my bike has been transformed.
To say that it feels like a new bike in the corners is an enormous understatement. No more running wide, no squirrelly rear wheel on uneven and rough pavement, and the bike rides like it was on rails.
We made significant changes to the factory settings, especially up front, and Dave's changes have given me a motorcycle that is planted in the curves and without the fear factor I occasionally experienced.
Dave was great to work with, and was patient with a great sense of humor--and I didn't have to travel hundreds of miles.
Bottom line, I really liked my motorcycle before. I LOVE it now.
-Pete Van Dyke
I just passed my return to riding 2-year mark and this video is superb from a timing and content standpoint.
Sadly, my first planned track school (with Cal Superbike) was just cancelled by the host track, so I will have to wait until 2021 due to calendar conflicts preventing me from rescheduling this year.
I also recently became a premium subscriber to your DMT Channel and I have learned an amazing amount about the importance of suspension tuning and set-up.
Thanks for the educational material you are producing to make us better and safer riders.
Peter Thomas, Tokyo, Japan (Remote Tune)
I have ergo'ed my bike and have about 500kms on it. No more tingly fingers!
Mt only adjustment on the rear, was one click out on the pre-load. I have not mustered my children to the garage to help me redo measurements yet… but I have put a few Ks on the bike today.
One click out and the pressure on my wrists is less (thank you!). The biggest notice? Tracking through turns. It *feels* like I’m not sitting over the bars and the front is not as twitchy. I can “sit back” and point where I want to go. Really – I just look. The bike tracks and I can adjust so much more smoothly. (it makes me roll the throttle a bit more tho – yikes!)
Without buying Hagons or Ohlins, I’m not sure what else there is to do on the rear. The bike with me on it, is a different ride. Just a little attention and work, and it feels so much more smooth in the turns and less wrist heavy on the freeway. I’m watching the zip tie on the fork, and after adjusting the rears, I don’t think I’m using as much travel (maybe 5mm less) in town as I was. I’m taking the bike to the mountains this weekend, so we’ll see how much I use up there…
Thanks so much. I am so grateful for your videos (to get my head wrapped around what needs to be done) and for your email responses to my noob questions. Domo Arigato Gozaimasu!
Take care Dave. If you ever make it to Japan, be sure to give us a shout!
Adrian Bucci, Australia
Thanks very much Dave.
Really enjoying your content mate. Just finished watching your Power Cup 2 review. Very interesting coming into another Spring/Summer in Eastern Australia. Currently running Power RS on a RSV4. These tyres don’t do too well at track pace above 30°C here. They, along with the rider, need a bit of a cool down after pushing for three or so laps.
On a side note... I have been meaning to write to you for sometime.
Your attention to detail in the videos certainly helped me get through lockdown and may have changed my life for the better.
Changing the fork compression and then mindfully testing at road speeds on the way to the shop or while ‘exercising’ initially became a good way to stave off boredom.
However, the practice mutated into journaling suspension changes as the process had to be completed over weeks, not 15 minute sessions. Two clicks here or there until it didn’t feel good, then back to an older setting. Then move onto the next component haha.
That’s when I really learnt about suspension compromises. The front’s relationship to the rear in different phases of cornering. How rebound on the rear supports compression on the front while braking in phase one, as well as the role of preload. ‘It’s quite complicated’ my wife would say as I fascinated my family about the results of the last trip to Aldi. ‘But did you remember the potatoes..?’ Haha
Anyhow, I took the journaling practice into other facets of my life. Wow what a change. I have told the uninitiated, ‘track riding is yoga at speed’. But the journaling I picked up ‘getting to know my bike’ keeps the positive aspects of my recent day to day life in the forefront of my mind in a time when it would be all too easy to fall into dark mind traps.
So thank you Dave. I appreciate what you do; educating the masses can only be a calling. I hope to see you next time you’re in Eastern Australia somewhere.
Rob Barker, UK
Greetings from the UK, Macclesfield specifically (not too far from your old stomping ground, I believe...)
I just wanted to drop you a quick email to says a big thank you for all your hard work and knowledge sharing - I signed up for total access late last year and spent most of the Christmas holidays working through pretty much every video and podcast on the site! This has continued throughout this year as each piece of new content has become available online. Historically I always viewed suspension tuning as a bit of a 'dark art' and trying to find useful, usable and accurate information was challenging at best!
As a consequence of your activities I am now much more confident to tackle setting up my bikes at a basic level and have experienced very positive results - so much so that I am in the process of trading my current bike (Ducati MTS1260S early 2019) with it's electronic Sachs suspension for a new 1260 Pikes Peak with manual Ohlins in order to acquire finer levels of tuning potential. With this new acquisition I hope to further develop my knowledge, understanding and ability to tune my own bikes and keep them ahead of my ability as a rider.
With this in mind, please could you offer some advice regarding starting point settings for the new bike? I'm more than happy to drop some $$$'s to you in return....
Again, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge, it is truly educational and inspiring!!
Logan B Holsapple (MT07 fork fix)
I cut 21mm off my spacer, went to 410cc of 20wt fork fluid ,added a preload adjuster (added 10-20mm over stock cap, I have it set a half turn from softest(10mm) currently) and raised my fork tubes 8mm in the clamps.
This thing is night and day difference. No more diving when downshifting, tracks in corners, now has 20mm of static sag and stayed 15mm from bottom out over a sharp speed hump in my neighborhood.
Best budget fix for the fz07 fork by far.
THANK YOU DAVE.
Jeff Williams (remote tune)
Just thought I would provide the end result comments as had 3 days at the track past weekend. Overall our input and comments helped get to a result and got me back on a path of making things work
- longer wheel base (combined with lesser spring in rear vs last year) has helped with 'falling into' feeling on corners
- rear tire pressure lower as you mentioned cleaned up the melting of the surface rubber though I think I need to go a bit lower still but I think I know what I am looking for now
- rebound comets gone in transitional areas between off throttle and upright
The only thing that ended up different vs your recommendation was the preload. When this all started I was fighting to get suspension stroke used but going to the preload you mentioned below wasn't good for geometry as rear did not have support. I went back to measuring sag and it would have been 41mm front and 40mm rear. Just didn't seem right to me. So I set things back closer to 'book values' of 42mm front and 26mm rear (still has static). But took out some compression (4 turns front to 18 out and 2 rear to 14 out ). This setup along with my faster times (dropped about 8s off average lap times from last time at track) is using most of suspension stroke now (still some safety margin). These settings should be at least a good baseline to let me get back to working on skills vs worrying about ill feeling bike.
Anyhow, thanks for the help and the video content you provide.
Steve Richardson (remote tune)
Settings you gave me for my 2020 S1000RR - very pleased with.
I am fairly smooth rider bike handled brilliantly.
I did a test ride on Monday with 36 PSi and Tuesday with 40 PSI. I did notice a huge change in the way the bike handled from before our session to after.
The 36 PSI, It felt more solid, the bike held a better line, I could carry more speed. I have a few corners that I tested before and after.
One of the corners is basically a reverse carousel of Laguna Seca, normally I do 58-63, now I did 80. Another turn slight sweeper 78 before, now 90. A tight left hander I did 44, now 52.
What I am noticing is that when entering a corner, I don't have to adjust my body position as much. I also don't feel as if I have to downshift to engine break going into the corner.
Jonathan Pears USA (remote tune)
So far the bike has been great.
I ended up putting a new set of tires on it last week, some Dunlop Q3+’s, Started them at 36, and that seems to feel comfortable at the moment.
Many of those 300 miles have been spent in the canyons, and its pretty hot here, and so far so good. I could go a little softer potentially on the 100 degree+ days.
Allen Farmelo, USA (remote tune)
Just a note to say that the new settings are a total success on my Ducati Supersport S. Thank you!
I'll circle back if I feel I need to tweak anything in the future.
Attached are a couple of pics I'm proud of!
Thanks again for all your help at Button Willow and really great company!
Kevin Pauley, Wisconsin USA
Thank you! I have to say, your work is amazing! I’m truly impressed and inspired by what you do.
I really appreciated seeing how thorough and disciplined you are with your work!
Mark Zimmerman, California
I am so happy that I subscribed to your site, you have a great grasp on suspension system.
Terrance Farrell (remote tune)
Thank you once again for all the help and info.
I finished with my forks a little earlier today, had to go to work yesterday, I ran through all your steps and procedures, the results are insane, handling is spot on and the overall ride is way better than before.
The left fork oil that I drained out was 100ml shy of where it should have been and the right one was 50ml shy and quite dirty too. I did also adjust my rear pre load as I had 65mm of sag reduced it to 16mm now, took pointers from one of your videos.
Dave, you are a LEGEND! Thank you so much once again.
Dorothy Donaldson, USA (remote tune)
Boy has time flew. I’ve been meaning to check in after our tuning session. I’ve put about 100 miles on the bike since we spoke. It definitely feels better at speed and feels more compliant getting into turns!
Chris Smith (Remote Tune)
Weirdly enough, I liked the 3rd.
It was higher effort to tip in but was very stable when leaned over and I loved the tight rebound damping. Hard on a bumpy road but on a smooth curvy road, it was magic.
I'm tempted to drop the front and jack the rear back up and see what happens.
Stephen, YouTube (dial in to your ability)
Absolutely brilliant, clear, concise and so educational.
Suspension settings are almost always an elusive black art to us mortals with average to poor skills. I’ve read countless articles, books, whatever I can get hands on, learning a wee bit more on each pass. This video is a *must-watch* by anyone who rides. It teaches us what the bike should and should not do under various conditions - going wide in a corner when throttle on? “Oh maybe it isn’t because I stink, maybe my rear is squating and I can tune that out."
The crazy thing is that so many of us just ride whatever is handed to us and never question how things could be so much better out of pure ignorance. We don’t even know what to look for other than what we feel with our butt and hands, and even then we attribute anomalies or doubt to “how the bike is designed”.
I love the phased approach on improvements, step by step. I’ve been caught dropping $3k into upgrades right from the start in thinking that’s just what I had to do.
Wish I had watched this first :). Keep on shining the light for us, those of us who have been re-born will evangelize to others.
DMT is a pure gift to anyone who rides, and anyone trying to navigate the mysteries of suspension setup.
Marco, UK (Remote Tune)
All adjustments made, went out for a hoon yesterday on some typical uk B roads and some major A roads and the bike felt very compliant and gave me a lot of confidence
Chad USA (remote tune)
Hello Mr moss, aka big Dave?
My track day 7-4-2020 was Extremely gratifying. It wasn't fun, I consider it work. This time around my quadracepts, and the back of my neck from looking up in the tuck are the only body parts that are sore. No arm soreness !!!
My chain seemed rather hot and had one section of the chain about 3 inches or so that was EXTREMELY warm. Chain is very new about 2k miles and cleaned and lubed after every outing with white lithium. I did adjust the chain at the track it currently has 1inch and 5 16ths travel in the middle of the chain on the bottom section. I watched your vids and will service chain slack again.
On to my suspension settings, You noted 3 turns out on preload in the front ? I'm thinking that might have given me too much sag.So, I only ever took one turn out of the front preload not being rebellious, I swear ! and made the other adjustments, i think you mentioned 1/4 turn out on rebound which was one click. I believe I left the rear alone. I also dropped tire psi cold to 28,28. It was low 90's air temp with a consistent breeze.
Rode I believe three sessions like this? Bike felt better on the kink turn with the bump on the inside.. Hmm could this be better I said ? I ended up taking 2 clicks of compression out of the front and ! Click of rebound out of the front ? I can now comfortably click down a gear turn in and lean off with better ergonomics through this turn.
How did the bike feel? With little to no pressure on the bars, just feeling it, in one turn a sharp right hander, turn 13 the front would have a real slow left to right bar feedback, not a head shake. A very very slow input. IT was a cool feeling.. to me my bike was saying no more throttle? Not once did the rear slip. On the back straight out of the " carousel turn" Once maybe twice near red line in 5th gear... 130 140 mph I did get some bar wobbles nothing major. My bike is normally very stable at high speeds, I believe that was my error.
A Left hander before the " carousel " i did look right seven eigth's of the way through the turn at the thicket because a deer came out as I was exiting the turn, in fear of the deer circling back I looked. This put me off that track a good 5 foot or so. The bike responded well enough that I could stand it straight and I darted across the track unfortunately. Thank the heavens no one was behind me as it could have been bad. In the grass i could feel the rear go back and fourth maybe 4 times total movement was about a foot ? As I made it to the pavement it was moderate front brake ease off the brake then tip back onto the line and back to it. At this point I was like ok time to exit the track.
Once I entered the pit I realized if i stopped at this point it would really bother me. So I went out to do one more lap and had the best lap for myself of the entire day.
The bike feels for me the best it has ever.
If I ease the throttle, drop my shoulder and elbow a little bit it will tighten the line and keep the line. I feel as though I don't have to work as hard to get it to do what I want it to.
If i accelerate more, which I was... The bike doesn't need me to add input to the handlebars to stay " in " my line ... or where I want the bike to go.
Under hard front braking, its comfortable. Pinch the tank with my knees and yeah.. I even downshifted twice with moderate front brake force and the rear actually floated left then right, then i realeased the front brake moved my body and turned in. Something that I have felt more than a few times on highway off ramps.
David Angel, California USA
I was able to view the full videos today after purchasing last night. I thought the access would be available right away but it just took over night! Saw it all today!
Thanks for the video on my trip to see you in Springville. Loved the experience and the new correct setup is amazing. Love it!
Thanks again for what you do! It makes all the difference in the world to those of us who ride!
I continue to share my experience with every ride I meet or talk to!
Peter Van Dyke USA (remote tune)
Took the bike out for a spirited ride yesterday, adjusted the forks a little bit, ended up right at 25mm from the bottom of the forks. Temp was 90 degrees, tires started at 40, didn’t get higher than 42 front and 41 rear.
Bike felt a LOT more planted, it was the first time since I bought it that I didn’t feel like I was fighting it through tighter sweepers.
Very happy so far.
Brian Wood, Nevada USA (remote tune)
I immediately noticed two things.
First I wasn't riding the tank as much, the rear shock was making the bikes rake off centered and second, bumps and blurred vision are gone.
I feel My lines now are easier to follow through but now with a comfortable ride, as before I felt like I was on ice skates, where I only enjoyed the shocks at higher speeds, but there's no room for error. If that makes sense.
Thanks for all that you do, and making this service available. I really appreciate it.
Terrance Farrell (remote tune)
Thank you once again for all the help and info.
I finished with my forks a little earlier today, had to go to work yesterday, I ran through all your steps and procedures, the results are insane, handling is spot on and the overall ride is way better than before.
The left fork oil that I drained out was 100ml shy of where it should have been and the right one was 50ml shy and quite dirty too. I did also adjust my rear pre load as I had 65mm of sag reduced it to 16mm now, took pointers from one of your videos.
Dave, you are a LEGEND! Thank you so much once again.
Peter Borak, California
Just took my Multistrada down redwood road for the first time since your suspension adjustment.
Actually felt like I was in control of the bike for the first time, rather than getting pogo'd all over the place.
Thanks again for the setup and custom front spring recommendation, hope you have a fun 4th!
Chuck Habrack, Harley V Rod
I have watched many of your videos. I am trying to incorporate the info I am getting into what I can use for the street, I have a 2007 Harley V Rod. I installed fully adjustable rear shocks from a local company JRI, (deep auto racing roots), and Racetech gold emulators and proper weight springs both ends for my mass, about 300 pounds. I was very careful to install the proper height of fork oil. I installed the springs and spacers then put the front end back together,
After watching your videos I checked the forks (conventional) for travel. I had about 1/2 what I should. I though they were stiffer because of stronger springs and the emulators. It was too much oil. it took me a bit to figure out the new springs were wound tighter displacing more oil, the spacer was steel with a .8mm wall thickness, the new one is PVC with a 3.2 mm thickness that also displaced more oil. Some calculations and oil removal I dropped the level about 25mm -30mm. I now have the travel and the expected ride.
I will need to adjust the emulators a bit soft, Without your videos I would have just thought that was the way that setup was supposed to act.
The bike is so much more fun to ride and I am more comfortable in the mountain curves. I played with tire pressure and found that these Metzler Criusetec like to be softer but with the suspension oil level proper, I will play around again.
Thank you Happy and safer rider
Well, indeed I was not using much of the travel. I replaced the heavy oil with the original 5 Weight oil, adjusted the level to just at the high end of spec to help with dive, (since I`m a 275lb guy ), and readjusted the preload and all of the damping valves as you showed in your videos. That solved it no more excessive bounce and it rides like a dream.
You know your stuff, I am impressed and thank you very much. Your input was most appreciated.
Luis Felix, Hawaii (remote tune)
Aloha Mr. Moss,
Brother words can’t express my deepest & sincerest gratitude. You’ve been patient informative and it’s been a pleasure working with you. The $80 30min session and the time it took to get the bike honed in is priceless. Again Many Thanks. I’ll contact you and happily pay again for these services you offer, to continue keeping my Beasty in tip top shape. Keep Doing what your doing your a LEGEND! Aloha Nui Loa
Luis M. Felix
I think my rebound was too fast! This was the result of an old shock.
I’ve just upgraded to a new shock and I’m dialing in rebound and speeding up compression until it’s feeling planted over bumpy terrain.
Jose Arnulfo Molina, California
Thanks a lot for all of your help both off-track and on-track yesterday!!!
As prescribed before headed out to the track, was able to shave off 2 seconds of my pace consistently so it wasn't a one-time wonder... Appreciate all the tips and support!
Armin, Croatia (remote tune)
Thanks to your videos I cured a colleagues big rebound problem on the rear tire and it almost healed itself completely Hats off to your sir, I learned so much its hard to put in words.
It's my first time on proper race tires and I have to work on corner entry speed a lot.
I was only 11 seconds slower then Yamahas Superbike r1 with professional drivers on my little 12 year old Cbr600rr
Much appreciated, Armin
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Eff Taroza This guy is a master of his craft, I feel the same way he does when I see people riding bicycles, usually their seat is too low or too high, or the bike is just too big or small for them in the first place! I have been cutting handlebars for people with pipe cutters for years, and adjusting brake levers, makes all the difference. Great video, thank you!
hyderfroyo Loved it, so much valuable information, much learnt. Thanks a lot Dave! Just subscribed.....
Arvis Pastars Hi Dave! Firstly thanks for great suspension tips and tricks. Secondly this will be great video to help me to teach my girlfriend ride a bike. To me riding a bike is natural, but explaining it is completely different thing. Thanks!
BlackBarry Fantastic video. I actually stopped midway to go out and set my levers up...and i found the mirrors just clicked into place (I've had the bike for about 3 weeks and have been struggling with getting the mirrors to give me good information). After this, I ran back in to hit the subscribe button...lol. I'm now looking forward to riding the bike and trying out the new set up. Thanks Dave
chuck e 616 views and only 37 likes! Come on!!! People just hit the like button so he can get paid, it's not hard. He helps everyone out and will answer questions.
tim tripp If I can scrap up 1/2 of Dave's knowledge left at track when done, I would double My knowledge every day! Thanks Dave!
Busa James I remember it was three years ago when I watched Dave at BMW adjusting a bike when I begun watching video after video and of course buying spring adjustment tools and craftsman screw drivers to begin applying what he so freely gave us Lol the riding racing commuting public . Hey Dave you are a really unique technician and we are all so blessed for your immense knowledge of all motorcycles. In my Christian walk thru life a man once said he would give up half his fortune to possess a great faith mans knowledge. It is so evident that your giving us all your knowledge to help us all enjoy our bikes our hard earned money that for years has frustrated us and one day you come along and with a wrench an hear a twist and a twist there , we are like reborn again to discover the awesome fun of riding . You are Special !!!! and I want to say THANK YOU ... Dave
Lawrence Broussard Setting up the bike for comfort and reaction time makes total sense. No one ever explained this to me!
Cloud9 Good info on "learning" how to get what we want out of our tires/bike.
Wtf how did it take me so long to see this! When I first got my bike And started to get a feel for it i was rolling on the throttle harder and harder as you do when you build confidence. It wasn’t long before the front wheel started to come up and every dam time I’d get a little head shake and since then I’ve been paranoid and terrified of going into a full tank slapper and it has really held me back. Because I tried looking it up on YouTube and google but all you get is “it’s caused when your steering is out of alignment with the rear wheel and a resonance is created when it moves from side to side....” blah blah which doesn’t actually tell you what you or your bike are doing to cause this! So glad I finally have an idea of what I can do to stop it from happening this will give me some serious confidence! I can think about how I’m moving the bars and how i need to change gear and how my bike should be set up. So god dam happy!
Paul Wilshere What an amazing video. He certainly knows his stuff. 👍🏻👍🏻
Sebastien Vige So I just checked a 2020 bike owners manual - their standard procedure indicates fork first oil change at 40k kilometers (read the line twice and could not believe it ) ... so roughly never - not good I guess. Direction column bearing balls check and greasing happens at 10k ... no comment . Thanks Dave for sharing your expertise and making us getting some “esprit critique”
BigPaPaRu Thank for all this amazing content you have given us. You may be one of the most helpful people on Youtube.
AK MK really nice advice that keeps smooth and safe this how we need to understand our bikes before the ride. Thanks for demonstrating
cerealk53 I modified my 2016 FZ-07 based on your recommendation: shorter spacer (150mm to 135mm), thicker oil (15W) and higher level (135mm from top I think) with the 8mm fork offset. The setup is spot on for me at 150lbs and the suspension now complements the engine's friendliness. I might reduce the offset of the fork for more stability in straight lines, but the change has helped with the rear shock. It's most likely not as good as replacing the front and rear suspension, but for the cost of the bike, it's a good enough fix. Thanks!
Jurgen verkoelen Keep up the good work, you make me and so many motorcyclist happy and safe while riding.
Tom Gun THIS is what i needed to know..... (6 steps)
SDSSMotoChannel I have to point out to people for DMT as I’ve been studying for 8 years, this is the most basic video Dave can provide for the first steps. This is a very clear explanation on the process and it’s even easier to understand with the newer updated videos DMT has been putting out for us all. if your having trouble I would study more of his videos available and if still having trouble understanding by all means ask what you don’t know, just would like to say don’t jump the gun have a good study first exactly what he said on the process.
dean warner Really useful video, I'm about to change the fork oil on my old Ducati 851 fitted with Showa GD11 forks, looks like I need to find an equivalent to SS8 Fork Oil
Mo Mentum When you meet someone who has forgotten more about something than you will learn in your entire lifetime. You keep quiet and utilize both ears and eyes and humble yourself. And lo and behold , you'll improve. Well done guys
AJ wills Hi Dave , that's the wonderful video on how does preload and rebound works. I have a Kawasaki Z900 and how does it's forks setting works on it. It has one side of preload and rebound adjusters and the other side nothing. Recently I found that the bike looses it's control on suspension easily feel it during cornering.
Del Milligan I’ve never heard Dave say anything stupid, absolute pro 👍🏼
Busa James Always great advice ,you are the best in the business. In this crazy marketing world where we can buy so many options I'm sure you've seen it time and time again . People buying new setups replacing there perfectly good lol just improperly adjusted equipment. Thanks for some more great wisdom it's from your very knowledge in regards to my own application that I am balanced and able to understand .👍👍👍
Moto_Ma77 Really enjoyed this video 👍🏻🇬🇧 (Ergonomics)
Simon s Well made step by step videos are a great idea. (^ steps)
Erik Brown holy hell this guy knows his stuff. thanks so much for the great video. maybe if i watch this enough times, i can start working on my own setup. Big thank you!
Daniel Benavides It seems like you are a expert. I need my mentor to be configured by you
ArkaynAdrian my first bikes mod was adjustable levers for my short fingers. Some friends are like "why didn't you get ya exhaust first" and it was mostly cause stretching annoyed me. Love this validation of my priorities. Now to re-re-readjust everything.
Tobi S. Wow! 10 Years ago I had to rebuild my forks every year, because they were leaking. Massive amount of work because I pulled everything apart. Now I think I know my problem. I didn't pushed the air out of the inner cardrige and stored the forks horizontal till I needed them. Big thanks to Dave Moss! I wish we had someone with your skill in Germany who's doing the same service to costumers.
Mr, Boo Boo 1972 Great video Dave Moss. Thank you Sir. I am the odd man out here. I own a Harley V Rod with a fat rear tire and forward foot controls. I know the HD suspension is close to just one step above nothing. After 13 years of dealing with it. I went for some improvements. I understand the limits of the bike and its overall design. I installed full adjustable rear shocks spring, (for my weight) and compression and rebound. It has conventional forks , I bought proper springs (for my weight) and race tech gold emulators. Within the first 100 Ft of riding it I was very angry that I did not invest in this 13 years ago. Now I have about 2000 miles on the upgrades and have made adjustments along the way. After watching these videos, I know that my bike was not balanced front to stiff and rear too soft, and my hand controls were not level. I have made some adjustments to the suspension and hand controls. My last ride was so much better. Even the guys I ride with made comment oh how much faster in the corners the bike was. If it makes sense the bike felt lighter. I also was not beat up after the ride, and my arms were not tired. Dave thanks for doing these videos and though its not a track bike the advice is universal.
A Sawyer Honestly I can't tell you how much I appreciate all this content, how much I'm learning and how much confidence it gives me to improve my bike and my riding. Once the financial hard times are over and I'm back on my feet properly I'll be signing up and paying something back for the knowledge I've received!
Quinn Fable I really appreciate the process and information. Great video. Thank you!
MikSane I dont even have this bike...but I LOVE DAVE MOSS VIDEOS!!!!!!!! Cheers to the master on youtube!!!!
Brice Tatham This is very insightful, I've been riding 9 months now and still learning, Thanks Dave!
Kevin Craig You're the man and that's quite a bike makes my mt 10 look like it came over on the Mayflower
Mr, Boo Boo 1972 Ya Buddy. Love what you do. The only thing I dont like @DaveMoss Is that I'm at least 10 Years behind on the Information Sir. Then again I'm happy to have Luckily Found you by Chance. I am However Very Thankful I had. You Are The Very Best at What You Do Friend., I've seen enough to know this. If I had Huge Dollars I'd hire You. Before too long guys and gals Mr.Moss may not be available like this for us, So absorb all the information you can. I'm just amazed hes not hired by a multi million Dollar company by now. They will see this error an act swiftly to grab him. Imagine just having this man on your team MotoGT or Whatever it may be. Youd be ahead of the rest. Hes definitely a Blessing. Thank You again Mr.Moss. We definitely Appreciate You and the other Dave.
Danial Hakim Love watching your video very very much.. you're really doctor track 👍
Tony Ray Really appreciated this video. When I bought my current bike I found I could adjust the brake lever but not the clutch. I had to stretch for it and became uncomfortable after a short time. I bought a pair of adjustable levers and set them up as described here and now am completely comfortable and do the actions without having to think about it. Great advice and I found the fix cost about 50€.
Mr, Boo Boo 1972 Absolutely Awesome. Anyone of you that live in Dave's Area and haven't taken a class or classes from him., Really need too. Newbies, Exsperianced or Pro. You can always come back to these videos. You have a couple Extra benefits. 1. You know how knowledgeable he is. 2. You the kind of guy he is watching these videos. "Bonus". I live in New England so going 3000+ miles one way isn't cost effective. I would definitely do it if I was closer.
q10115 Dave, can't thank you enough for offering your knowledge. I have learned so much on suspension theory since I first read your content, with more to learn. Thanks again and I hope to see you at your next trackside/Cycle Gear visit.
peter robert This is the best video i have seen on bike set up-hands down ( no pun!!)
XSTNC I recon Dave is one in a million guy with suspension setting
K T replied: "Dave Moss Tuning Absolutely brilliant some of the information that I've learned from just watching your videos
Brian O'Brian I cannot think of any other 1 person who is THIS thoroughly knowledgeable + this intricate on as many aspects of a motorcycle as Dave! We are blessed with tires + Dave!! Thank You for all you do Dave!! To be faster + SAFER is a royal gem in my book, not found often!! YOU ARE APPRECIATED!
Zander Van Heerden I am a qualified Cytech bicycle technician who has a great love and passion for two wheels, especially motorcycles, Dave you know your stuff, I am promoting you for free here in South Africa, addicted to your videos and would love to boost your likes and views. Keep it up please, already shared your videos too a couple of bikers👍
Ernie R Thank you for excellent info & instruction.
Bryan J Me: Hey Dave, how much oil should I put into my fork cylinder? Dave: You should have 40 cubic millimeters of free space at the top. Me: (brushes up on algebra, looks up relevant volume equations, looks up cubic millimeter to milliliter equations, solves for height, adds oil to realize there was an arithmetic mistake, consults local high school teacher for help with math)..... 6 days later, adds correct amount of oil to fork cylinder. Thanks Dave!
eskimodoodle Learn something all the time from each of your vids !
GSab One of the facts that makes this channel (Dave) so popular and liked is that I've never heard him saying what must be done and certain numbers need to be followed. He gives you the knowledge not the "copy paste" method and is up to you how much are you going to learn and apply in real life.
Kilo Bravo Thanks for the continual work Dave. I always enjoy your perspective.
DAVE!! Thank you so much! Finally poured some of the fork oil out of my daytona 675. Not getting the lock up and the bike never felt better. Adjusted compression to 11/23 clicks. And also had a rebound tire ware issue. The trailing edge was worn. So I lowered the rebound and its so much better. Thanks dave with out you i would have never known the importance of suspension and the impact it has. You help thousands of riders out and I want to thank Dave Moss and Dave the editor. Love you guys! Peace!
John G Important & fascinating. Proof for the rest of us: you don't know, how much you don't know, unless you listen & observe the talent of a master. Thank you for the enlightenment...j
PLT Perfect,,, just perfect!! Such a short and simple informative videos, THANK YOU.
Lenn Salientes Definitely a great help for me. Loved the rental car analogy too! Thank you Dave!
Frank Blackcrow Great info.. make the bike a stress free as possible.. this should be taught to a.. first bike.. rider.. keep their concentration on what they should be looking at, than looking to see where the clutch is or what ever they get to think they need to look for.
Eli Bush commented “I did the recommended settings, road for over an hour and measured. I have 20 mm of measurement after riding with the gear on the bike. Everything feels great! Very planted and comfortable. I did notice some oil rings on the one fork leg that had the cable tie. I will keep an eye on it. I had to have both seals replaced at only 1500 miles. Not sure if something is up.You have been a great help. I will definitely be talking about you on this trip. Thanks again.
NZbird An outstanding video Dave. I was fortunate to attend one of your suspension clinics in NZ when we rode a route in the Waikato and constantly tweaked the bike. That was an unbelievable revelation and much gratitude for your time and patience. Best regards, Geoff James
A Rizk You are like an encyclopaedia for motorbikes!!!🤙🏼😎🍻
Do One commented: "great video. Lot of very helpful tips for a new rider and probably some old one's to!?"
Glendon Franklin Fascinating video - now I understand why my old V Strom was so darn uncomfortable!
MB J You helped me out big time at 4:25 [fitting the motorcycle to you] with that 'ideally what we want is a straight line. A kink will make you numb' comment. Bless you! I've fought with numbness in my right hand when riding both of my motorcycles (normal street bikes and riding) and my bicycle too. I've searched the topic and watched several videos that talked about not locking your elbows, keeping loose arms, loose hands, not gripping too hard, playing the piano with your fingers, etc. all of which I tried, none of which really helped. I'd pretty much written it off to being a 55 year old who's worked at a computer too long and probably has some carpel tunnel issues. That one comment was the missing info I needed. My brake levers were adjusted fine. But, my own wrist ergonomics sucked. I've been pulling off straight-wristed and end up in a bent-wrist position while driving without being aware of it. I did a 125 mile ride today really focusing on the ergonomics of my throttle hand, maintaining a straight line through the forearm to the knuckles. The difference was HUGE - almost no numbness, no having to periodically clutch out and flex my arm and fingers when no one was behind me, no dropping my arm at stoplights. Night and day. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you!
George Canakis Thank you amazing video never thought of any of that and ive been a long time cheers.
Neil Neil This knowledge and confidence layed down in the most practical and informative way. This is the best thing I have discovered without an inch of attitude, Dave Moss is giving you everything. Absolute Gold.
Jason Mr. Moss is the Yoda of the motorcycling world, toss in a school with Keith Code and you will transform from a moth to a butterfly. Slow is smooth. Smooth is fast.
bisai_works WOW! Eye opener 👏🏽......this wasn’t even discussed while learning to ride by my instructor. Thank you very much for this video 👍🏽
GuzziRyder LeMans88 Lovin your channel I am new to it so lots to see loads of interesting information. Now I am a little more enthusiastic to do do some maintenance. Cheers
Joe Maffei Awesome video as always! Thanks for sharing you’re knowledge! Love my speed triple!
Jason Single @DaveMossTuning your a legend. From Queensland, Australia.
Thomas Utesch, USA (remote tune)
I've made your last set of suggested changes and have ridden about 700 miles. After the one clockwise turn on the rear preload it got a little stiff again. I backed off half a turn and it doesn't bottom out but rides a little better.
Handling in unchanged as far as my limited ability can tell so that is great.
You have transformed my Guzzi Grisio from a 1960s hard tail chopper to a comfortable, compliant ride. Best $80 I've ever spent. Now I just need to find a better saddle and I'm ready for some overnight trips.
I can't seem to remember, did you want to see pictures of my tires now that I've got some miles on them? Or are we all set?
Chuck Habrack, Harley Davidson V Rod
I have watched many of your videos. I am trying to incorporate the info I am getting into what I can use for the street, I have a 2007 Harley V Rod.
I installed fully adjustable rear shocks from a local company JRI, (deep auto racing roots), and Racetech gold emulators and proper weight springs both ends for my mass, about 300 pounds. I was very careful to install the proper height of fork oil. I installed the springs and spacers then put the front end back together,
After watching your videos I checked the forks (conventional) for travel. I had about 1/2 what I should. I though they were stiffer because of stronger springs and the emulators. It was too much oil. it took me a bit to figure out the new springs were wound tighter displacing more oil, the spacer was steel with a .8mm wall thickness, the new one is PVC with a 3.2 mm thickness that also displaced more oil.
Some calculations and oil removal I dropped the level about 25mm -30mm. I now have the travel and the expected ride. I will need to adjust the emulators a bit soft,
Without your videos I would have just thought that was the way that setup was supposed to act. The bike is so much more fun to ride and I am more comfortable in the mountain curves. I played with tire pressure and found that these Metzler Criusetec like to be softer but with the suspension oil level proper, I will play around again.
Thank you Happy and safer rider
Matt Rockall, UK (remote tune)
Got out on the bike. Massive improvement overall.
Tyres are on 40/40 psi
The front feels a little soft but turns much better and holds a line better too. The back again a little soft but feels good Overall I would describe the overall feel as loose but much more controlled.
If I was any more spirited riding I would probably be in jail
Toby Tadevossian, UK (remote tune)
First trackday complete!
We started with 32f 30r and it seemed we couldn’t get enough heat in the front tyre so dropped down to 30f and was able to pickup the hot pressure (slower pace I’m guessing)
At the end of the day my pace increased from a 1.05m to a 1m at brands hatch Indy and it seemed 30-30 was just right (for me at 55kg)
Last session for my uncle he built his confidence and he definitely needed more air front and rear (we’ll try 32-32)
As I’m sure you know brands Indy doesn’t have many left turns at all
Thank you for all that you do
Mark Wade, UK (remote tune)
I had a ride this morning , the roads were damp after a lot off overnight rain, but there were dry lines, and the rear suspension felt softer and coped better with of our UK roads, and I was getting more drive out of the corners and could feel the rear squat down little bit which I managed pretty well, so feeling very happy.
This afternoon I removed the rear shock and its being collected next Tuesday to be sent to a Nitron dealer who is going to re-gas it and replace the oil and seals etc.
I can’t wait for it to come back..
Quelle Olaivar, California
Your tune on my bike at Button Willow on June 6 is amazing! Went to Thunderhill on sat and its still awesome.
Rick Smartt, North Carolina USA (remote tune)
Hope all is well sir! I've been delayed testing due to rain, although two days ago, in high humidity and high 80s', I was able to get out for several hours.
The bike seems very close to perfect. Stable but light and more flickable, more planted but free ...
I couldn't be happier Dave, awesome guidance and advice. Pics attached, I would appreciate any last feedback.
Payment sent via Paypal at 9:07 eastern this morning.
And, I'll stay connected!
Gianni Albanese. Lecce Italy (remote tune)
Good Morning Dave!
I've just rode my first 30kms in "OMG" mode. My previous setting was stock I presume: high preload and all hydraulics open on the front and on the rear. I was a little skeptical when I red to remove all preload on the forks but now...
I'm like... Wow.
I brought the triple clamp to the original height. What can I say... I feel like Im riding a new bike.
I feel my front waaay more smooth in the corners, great feeling with it. My bike now just flows down a lot easier, like a knife in the butter. I feel a lot safer as well, more confident in cornering and Im pretty sure it will help me to improve my cornering technique. On the rear I didn't managed to get the 7 rounds of preload ( do not have the right tool) but its at 4 now.
What else can I say... I will suggest all my friends to get in contact with you. I just cant thank you enough, my ride is waaay funnier and safer now
Michael Shane Hill, Los Angeles, USA
Hope you're well, brother. Quick update on that S1KRR you tweaked a few weeks back in Thousand Oaks... I just finished the first of those summer tours I was telling you about; about 3k miles in seven days. I saw pretty much every type of road condition and terrain you could think of (inner city potholes to sweeping mountain climbs to tight decreasing-radius declining turns and more). What a blast.
Before the trip, I did swap out the tires to the Road 5s that I mentioned I was planning to install before too long. I didn't, however, get to the rear shock swap out, but I have one sitting in my eBay cart now. That will happen before the next tour for sure.
All of that considered... your tweaks were noticeable and extremely helpful. Compared to the previous long tour I had taken on the bike, the difference was apparent (and enjoyable). I appreciate your time and expertise. This bike surely isn't a touring bike, but having the right suspension setup is definitely a major factor in being able to use it as such. To put an real number on the comparison, I used to start to shift around and hurt after about 3 hours in the saddle...now I can sit the bike for 4+ before the body position starts to get to me. My knees and hips and back and and and thank you.
Of course, it's a lot more fun to ride now too, and confidence inspiring.
What you did is working out perfectly with the Road 5s. Thank you again, for everything. You'll likely see me again some day.
I've never been to the track, and am a bit apprehensive of trying a track day...should I ever decide to explore that apprehension, you're going to be the guy who takes me out there. You're precise.
And in a life where prevision has fallen to the wayside, your methods are welcomed and appreciated. Thanks again and keep doing what you're doing, brother.
Good morning Dave
Can’t tell you how much your work has helped me. My big old Kawasaki handles fantastically.
Swing arm angle, spring, Comp/rebound , oil direction have had a huge impact on handling.
Thanks again outstanding performance tune up resource you provide.
Moto Nuks, Phillipines
Just wanted to say a quick thanks. Watched tons of your videos on Youtube and it helped a lot in tuning the bike.
I'm far from fully optimized but am riding on rails at the moment
Will get your premium sub soon!
Steve (remote tune)
Just a quick update on my bike.
So far I have upped the preload on the rear shock as advised and put 38lbs of pressure in the tyres back and front I have yet to receive the new 20w fork oil but I am already enjoying the big handling improvement and I feel more confident with the bike.
I am of course spreading the news of your skills and telling everyone about Dave moss..
speak soon, thanks.
Wayne Johnson (remote tune)
The plan I was working with several weeks ago for the rear shock of my 2014 MV Augusta turned out to be unnecessary after listening (several times) to your incisive and timely MossCast on 'Choosing Shock Springs'.
Understanding that I was 'feeling' for something different than I was accustomed to when checking static sag on my new TTX (with its top-out spring) allowed me to take a static sag measurement (via Slacker tool) with greater confidence.
The good news: The TTX that was professionally set up for my weight and motorcycle turns out to be 'spot on' with no further adjustment, spring removal, etc. required.
My remote tuning goal has been met.
Kudos to you and your on-demand content for keeping me from unnecessary and costly downtime.
Wayne A. Johnson
Bryan Bowers, Pacific Northwest, USA (remote tune)
I took it (04 GSXR 600) for a 100mile spin this afternoon and all I can say is you are a wizard.
I feel like we only made some minor changes and the difference in ride quality was enormous and as an added bonus GAS MILEAGE! I went 15 extra miles before my gas light came on.
I plan to try new tire pressures throughout the rest of the week and i'll let you know how that goes.
Thank you so much! I am absolutely stunned.
Peter Thomas, Japan
I've been watching your videos on how to set up a motorcycle. I am the idiot who lives with tingly fingers and pinched neck because I've bought the fender delete, pipes, jets, on and on, but never adjusted the bike to ME. I'll fix that today as i review peg/leg positions, and adjust grips and levers. Thanks for all the info you post online.
Do you have a step by step for setting up suspension on a bike like mine? I'm not sure how much is adjustable (stock) but I'm sure there is room for improvement. i just don't know where to start.
Again, thanks for your videos. Easy to understand and full of excellent content. Much appreciated.
Darren Davison, 2014 FZ1 (remote tune)
Bike feels a lot better.
My front forks were over four lines showing on preload and 10+ clicks out on comp and reb.
Thanks very much and will be in touch after a good 100k or so!
Deron Thomas, Atlanta USA (remote tune)
I know I’m a week late but I was only able to get out for a short time last week. I did run both front and back at 39 PSI and I did tighten the shock two complete turns.
The bike turns in a lot easier and feels totally different as it relates to cornering on the street. I’m definitely happy with it. It feels more planted in the corner at some pretty high speeds.
Thank you again.
Clark Breshears, Iowa USA (remote tune)
Dave, so far the bikes performance has been great! I don’t get launched off now anymore. Thank you so much!
Eric Holowach (remote tune)
I just tried set up number 2 yesterday and did about 300kms on a ride with it. I can’t describe why, but I like the setup a little better than the first one, but both are terrific.
I will still give set up 3 a try at some point and will update you on findings.
I haven’t forgot that YouTube review I owe you also. I will email you once it is posted.
Have a great rest of your day.
Eric Curcio ZX6R (remote tune)
It was so nice to meet you yesterday and thank you again for taking time to meet with me online. I just took the bike out and, wow, it feels so much better.
The shifter lowering and the suspension adjustments really made it feel much more firm and controllable; I really thought it felt great before but I had no idea. It feels like a different bike!
I found a zip tie and only drove for about 10 miles roughly just around the neighborhoods. I’ve attached a picture of the reading. It does look like it traveled about 2/3 of the way down but then again maybe I should take out for a bit longer.
Let me know what you think - looking forward to our next meeting!
Steven Gould, California (remote tune)
Made all changes with the exception of the pre-load on the rear shock.
Ride #1 6/18
City Streets / Freeway
Added three turns to tighten/shorten the rear shock
Ride #2 6/19
Freeway / Canyons
Rode 100 miles today about 50 were Canyons in Malibu.
I believe I’ll keep this setup and only change the tire pressures for the next week or two.
Then I will change to the 2nd setup and try that for a while..
I had a lot of fun today. Bike felt good and dependable.. I do not believe I was anywhere near it’s capabilities but I do feel like we have a good base to start from.
I’ll let you know how things progress..
Thank You Dave!
Tim Van Driessen, Belgium (remote tune)
So I've been able to put the swingarm back in and all did move smooth now. But still I can only get 6mm of free sag... I don't know, this might just be normal ? I don't really understand why this is... I have a video when the swingarm was in and all moves smoothly. Could this be dangerous only 6mm of free sag ?
Bike feels good tho, still waiting on stiffer springs. Hope I get them before next week when I go to Metlet track again.
Bike feels more stable now and you can see that in my riding now!
Marco Weber, Germany (remote tune)
Because of my last bike I decide to terminate my hobby on the racetrack. It was a KTM SuperDuke R from 2008. I spend a lot of money to build this bike up to be faster on the track but... yes! Tracktime is much more efficient I know. I bought the competition fork and shock because the original one was to stiff at all. After fixing the new parts nothing changed. Quite the contrary! I crashed twice without knowing what the problem was...
After seven years now I want go back on track. But this time I’ll do it on the proper way. I saw a lot of videos from Dave on YouTube and start to understand (at least I’m imagining it) what the suspension is doing and what kind of problems a wrong setup can produce. The distance was my doubt because I’m living in Germany. Anyway! Let’s try.
So I send Dave an email with my short story just to get an idea if he will response on me. Two days later Dave answers me and ask me some questions about my bike my weight and my plans with the bike. Dave send me a Setup one day later. I was at that time on the track so it was the perfect timing to try and give right away the response.
But here comes the point!
The setup was perfect! With just one E-Mail!!! Dave is a Genius in my eyes! I’m was and I’m still so happy with bike now. It is so much fun now on track. And this with a Suzuki SV650 with approx 80BHP!
Thank you very much Dave and as soon I'm in the condition to go faster I’ll get back to you and your support!
Thank you again for your support and all the best
Josh Bordeau, Napa, California
Josh BordeauYou've been the only one besides Cory Call that has touched both of my bikes suspension in the last four years and I have no complaints!
Christian Cepeda, Sacramento California
I signed up with Carters last Sunday to work with you on setup on my XSR900. Extremely glad I did!
Brilliant Dave. I’ve adjusted my bike and I can now say it’s riding smooth, fast and predictable. And more importantly, it’s safe.
Thank you for the knowledge. 👍🏼
Nicole Desbrow, California
Dave Moss thank you so much for setting my suspension up just for me! The ride back after you made your adjustments was amazing!!!!!
It’s been the most amazing ever. I can’t even explain the difference. It is so much easier to ride. Thank you for being so amazing! Your such a rock star!
Eli Bush, Marion Ohoio, USA (remote tune)
Thank you again for helping with my bike setup. I did ride with both tire pressures and 34 PSI feels the best. I would like to schedule another time with you since I put some miles on with the settings you suggested.
The bike has been so much nicer to live with and I feel more control. I’ver really been enjoying it! I pray you and your family are well.
Steve MacMurray (remote tune)
Many thanks Dave.
What a simple yet effective solution - modifying the shock preload adjuster!
Based on a tip in one of your earlier videos, a few months ago I purchased a second factory shock for very little and renewed the oil/nitrogen charge before installing in March. My original adjuster is on the bench and ready for this tweak.
Delving into suspension with your help has been very rewarding.
Warm Regards, Steve
Eric Garnica, California
Hello Mr. Moss
I went down to Buttonwillow this past Saturday to have my bike tuned with my buddies. I had the black 2006 Zx-6r and after checking it out you recommended I add 50cc to my front forks to help with not bottoming out. I did that and wow did it help a lot. Thank you again.
Duncan Matthews UK (remote tune)
I trust you are safe and well in these difficult times? I have just given my motorcycle a good run on your first tyre pressure settings ( lowest pressure ) It went a dream!! I am going to try the other settings over the next few weeks. If there are any problems now I feel they are of my own doing! Having ridden big heavy sports tourers for years the nimbleness, superb handling and fabulous all round road holding really is a new learning curve for me. Before everything was done with weight in mind but now it is with no weight in mind! I have suddenly had a lesson on how much things have moved on and am having to adapt to giving less input on corners etc. The general superb all round capabilities of this motorcycle give a big smile each time I ride it. It actually reminds me of a modern version of a T160 trident I had in the 70s fabulous handling. beautiful sound and good all round fun! I will give you a further update and send some pics when I have tested your other settings and if you have any tips on my learning curve they are always appreciated.
Regards and stay safe.
Bernd Mütschele, BC Canada (remote tune)
Again, I waited patiently for the clouds to part for a chance to test the new settings.
Quite a difference! She felt very together which let me lean more confidently. Also, comfort on the straight.
How can I know how close to 100% we are now?😄 What do 100% feel like? That said I think I'm happy with this setting. Thank you very much.
David Barrow, Thailand
Thank you for your prompt reply and information,
Thanks to DMT I have changed and checked a lot of the settings on my bike only to find that HONDA Thailand who I use to service my Bike have never carried out the required work paid for like fork oil I've paid to be change and check everything.
Never been touched since new 115,000 Klm
I am subscribed to your channel I watch all the time. Thank you again the information I've gained - is incredible .
Thank you for your fast reply. I only had a free account, no monthly. But today when I told my problem to a colleague who also ride motorcycles, he said that I can use his credit card. So I just had to pay him back.
Now I can enjoy and learn from all your videos . Thank you for making very good and educational videos and share your years of expertise with us.
Mark Carlisle, Springville California
It was a pleasure to meet you and a joy to watch you perform your craft. All three bikes are vastly improved and much more fun to ride!
Like many riders I guess I just adapted to what I had, however when a skilled and knowledgeable talent comes along and sets things up properly it is a revelation!
I'm looking forward to our trip to the coast on the Triumph-it will be nice to not hear complaints from the pillion!
Wishing you the best and safe travels,
Zach, Canada (new rider)
I've been watching your videos on YouTube trying to learn more about bikes/riding in general.
I'm a new rider and will be getting my first bike in the next couple of days (fz/mt-07) I was just curious on what do you recommend to do during the break in period.
Thanks for your time & everything you do for the riding community & cheers from Canada
It's one year since I've bought premium membership of your channel (it renewed automatically few minutes ago). I just want to thank you for all the information you are providing. I've lost my illusions about motorcycle manufacturers, however I'm very happy about knowing much more then before.
I hope that you are doing well even at this COVID time, and I'm looking forward for more content and knowledge. Hopefully I'll get chance to shake your hand sometime.
Subject: Grateful for knowledge
Your knowledge has greatly improved my 02 zx6r's handling, I've been on sportbikes since 87 (ninja 250), and have never really appreciated the handling til now, I'm running 1"1/2 front, 1"3/8 rear sag, God bless you for your knowledge and for sharing it, I can't thank you enough Dave, and your videos are easy to follow you've done a great job and of course those involved making the videos, God bless, thank you also for the time you put in.
Paul Herron, UK
Good morning from wet and windy Uk Dave.
I just came across your videos last night and have to say how impressed at your quality of information you give. For an old man struggling with the weight of my Honda CBF about to give up am now going try some of what you talk about.
Thank you for giving me hope. All the best and stay safe in these crazy times.
Steven Kemp, Perth, Australia
Just want to say it was nice to catch up with you at Barbagallow in January.
Your suggestion for the rear tyre wear on my R6 was spot on!
Thanks Dave, done your conversion last week, followed all your steps closely, shortened spacers 15mm, used Bel Ray 15w, dropped the front end 8mm. Now I have a working suspension. Thank you sir, you are obviously a hero to all of us.
Mister Isaac commented: "Fantastic explanation 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 thank you for uploading."
LJ Garrison commented: "EPIC soundtrack and EPIC tuning. Well done dude!"
Nspinicelli commented: "NEVER knew that! (fork stiction). I'll be adding this to my annual and winterizing maintenance"
Daschickenify commented: "Truly therapeutic to watch. Informative too!"
JV 415S1KRR commented: "Thank you Dave! 💯"
Ricardo Amaral commented: "Thanks Dave you are the best💪"
assonate dmitriy commented: "Straight to the point information 👍"
Alan Brown commented: "This shows the benefits of going to an expert, rather than believing in bling suspension."
zachary farmer commented: "I’m addicted to your channel.
Laurence Lagden replied: " Keep up the great work, loving the videos. Stay safe."
awesomesauce666 commented: "watching all this mans videos.."
SaiGonEze APBT commented: "great tips i didn't know about the angle of the handlebars and changing them to have a straighter angle of your wrist"
Darius Stanaitis commented: "Fantastic video!!!"
Hi Dave, Love the content of your videos! Very informative.
our Dream Is Reality commented: "So much experience here."
Kyle Jones commented: “I recently discovered your youtube page and was absolutely blown away by not only your skills and great content, but also your ability to translate that info for people to understand.”
Richard Payne commented: “Hi Dave, thank you for all the information relating to maintenance and setting up forks/ suspension. You have given me the confidence and answered many questions I had.”
LxTxSURGE commented: "Good show"
Anthony Locasto commented: "Dave, keep the the great content coming. Thank you. Does this go for the 2020 MT 07 as well?"
First thing I bought for my bike was gas! Second, chain lube... Third, windscreen. There was already one installed, looked good but not very aerodynamic. To come: helmet (better aerodynamic, yes my neck doesn't like wind pressure) and a seat that will change my sitting position. The suspension is now set. I'm going in the garage right away to fine tune the hand control ergonomics. Thank-you Dave to help me and my motorcycle perform better!
First thing I bought for my bike was gas! Second, chain lube... Third, windscreen. There was already one installed, looked good but not very aerodynamic. To come: helmet (better aerodynamic, yes my neck doesn't like wind pressure) and a seat that will change my sitting position. The suspension is now set. I'm going in the garage right away to fine tune the hand control ergonomics. Thank-you Dave to help me and my motorcycle perform better!
Your website has woke me up. My V7 111 was rock hard. I backed off 6 full turns on the rear shocks. Now I have forgiveness. I weigh 175 , it most of been set for a beast. No give. No free play. Clutch and front brake fit like a glove. The Guzzi is rather limited but, now it is a improvement. Thank you.
Troy Tanner commented: "Great info for rideability on any motorcycle"
Adam Stratford commented: "Love watching DM love the way he conducts himself 👏 Adam 🇬🇧"
Now he has me thinkin and doin double takes on my ride position LOL, ive already made 1,000 different adjustments on my suspension, ran my numbers, and my bike feels A LOT more connected!....its Dave’s fault lol 😂
C X2400 commented: "I'm 70 y/o and ride a 280 kg bike with 90 hp; I really appreciate to get such great tips from Dave Moss. Thank you! Subscribed!"
Ab Initio commented: "I really love love love your videos!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Chris commented: "Tks Mr. Moss for helping keep riders safe"
Dzimka Bujiashvili commented: "Every country needs 1 Dave Moss."
Fabz Rust Rider commented: "I wish if wish can com true that you can mind all my bikes, I love you man stay blessed and stay safe 👍🏾💯🇬🇧🇯🇲"
Roberto C. commented: " 🙏 LOVE UR VIDEOS"
Cory Ouellette commented: "I really enjoy the content of these videos. Thanks for doing what you guys do!"
A1 commented: "One of the best motorcycle channel's out there."
Andrej F commented: "Subbed. This channel is pure gold!"
Matt Legg commented: "For a non-mechanically-inclined person, this is perfect. Thanks, Dave!"
it still astounds me why there are so many that just don't know this so Big Thumbs up to Dave for helping people get the most fun and safety out of their bikes! The first thing i do when i get a new bike - usually every 3-4 years with about 35k km every year... from the showroom floor bikes are stuck together by someone that puts all the bits where they should be i.e. wheel on the axle, handlebars on the triple clamp but that's as far as it goes.
stanpyrzanowski commented: "After 8 years and some 30 k miles covered, I decided to set up my bike correctly. Great video! Thanks, Dave."
Atul Joshi commented: "Absolutely brilliant 👌🙌👌"
Matty D commented: "This guy is intense"
Nyleen commented: "Yas! Finally an episode on a Supermoto! With the lockdown in place I'm taking care of my bike right now so this is very good timing!"
GUNNER GUNNAR commented: "What a crying shame most riders don't know this (ergonomic) stuff"
bikerboi1983 commented: "did my forks today with your method and wow what a difference and such an easy job. cheers Dave!"
nscar g commented: "amazing information about heavy bike nobody tell that god bless u"
Angelos p commented: "Incredible points proven, thanks for your profesionalism and sharing!"
James D commented: "I would be lying if I said I’m not grabbing my garage keys and adjusting my bike."
MOTO KAWASAKI MAN UK DEREK
Hi there seen a few of these type of videos yours is the best by far I’ve had my Kawasaki Z1000SX tourer you call it the ninja 1000 I’ve just sat on it and I had to move my levers both down now it feels move comfortable. Brilliant video here thanks for sharing it 👍👍Derek from the Uk 🇬🇧👍🏍
Great video. I'm going to order some new brake fluid after watching this. : ) I haven't been riding for very long and so far I've only bought used motorcycles. There's a lot of good deals to be had on the used markets. I bought my 1970's Honda CB750 off Ebay knowing nothing about motorcycles or Honda's. After owning the bike for almost 2 years I've learned so much about motorcycles and vintage Honda's. Knowing what I know now, I feel like I got pretty lucky. I paid 2 grand for the bike and so far I haven't had any problems with it. (Knock on wood) Plus I've learned a ton about maintenance and upgrades, which (to me) is worth the price of the bike alone.
x1tekja commented: "As usual great content and a good reminder that I have been neglecting my rear shock"
John Miranda commented: "Thank you for all the information!"
The more videos I watch, the more I become assured that Dave Moss is some kind of deity. I understand the physics when he explains it, yet I´m amazed every time he tunes a bike into something rideable for each customer. It´s like he reads both people and bikes alike, and match them together. Pure poetry.
I'm really impressed by seeing your first video, I don't know what exactly people think... Really you have a tons of knowledge to share to most of the people. I appreciate your hard work and hats off..🍻
That rental car analogy was SPOT ON! Never really crossed my mind until he brought it up- fantastic vid as always
Juliet&Bitsy commented: "I'm learning so much already from Dave and I don't have a bike yet. This makes it more exciting for me when I get my bike. =) Thanks Dave!"
John Neomaster commented: "Well I'm that type of person who takes thingies apart, clean them and relube them. And Dave's right, it brings the bike back to that new-bike-feeling."
Raja Sekhar commented: "Man.. every video here is education for me. Learning never stops at DAVE MOSS TUNING. I don’t know how many times and how much I can thank this guy. Keep it up Dave you are just awesome
Jim Gravante commented: "Dave, I appreciate your knowledge and skill in training us with straight forward, no BS information. Even after 30 years of riding, I’m still in wonder of riding and thankful guys like yourself are..."
Hubert commented: "most sense I heard in years"
Ian Mihalic replied: "Dave Moss Tuning thank you so much for taking the time to do this. Good help is hard to find so i do everything myself. Only thing i did not understand was suspension and you have helped me greatly."
been riding since I was 14 yrs old now 57 seeing this wow just proves you're never too old to learn new things and the shock you've been doing it so wrong for so long.Great video Dave buckets of respect at you - New sub and bell clicked 😉 ride safe bud
King Hyperion commented: "holy shit, talk about learning something."
Jordi Candel commented: "anazing video!! Thxs"
Randy commented: "I just came across your video, and I subscribed. Thanks for waking me up to properly setting up my bike Sir!!! Now I can have a safer ride at 64 yrs old!!"
monk3yman1997 commented: "You sound like my dad when I want to get something then he makes a load of good points why I shouldn't 😂"
george sanchez commented: "True master. Solutions in a flash. Beautiful to see Dave sharing so much knowledge."
Raven commented: "Thank you for the lessons, It's a privilege learning from you sir Dave!"
The Biker Crew UAE commented: "Awesome video. I don't think a lot of people realise how important setting up the suspension is! Most just want engine and exhaust upgrades. 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼"
andriy shevchenkos commented: "thank you so much ！"
douchebagout commented: "Dave is just brilliant. A teacher"
100compunet commented: "you're awesome thx for share.."
不哑火的大炮 commented: "Thanks heaps for the video and I sure will continue watching the rest to get more of your valuable advice on cornering and what not. Cheers"
Steven Jackson commented: "Dont own a bike yet but still luv watching all your vids."
Jyoti Prakash Singh You're very best teacher and u know about very deep knowledge in bike few people know about and they don't tell about everyone in free so u and ur work great.most superbiker don't know any knowledge 🙏🏻👌🏻👍
Karim Magdy commented: "really thank you .. from now on i will follow your videos and recommend your channel to all my bikers friends ... Greetings from the land of the Pharaoh .. Egypt"
Thank you for sharing your knowledge I've watched so many of your videos and I feel like a better and more confident rider , mechanic, etc already telling my friends to also check out two clicks out Dave is phenomenal
As with many things in life, it's a pleasure to listen to someone who has thought things through and is happy to share their conclusions. Wisdom from experience. When time, and life's distractions, allow I thoroughly enjoy learning from you. Thanks.
Sticky elephant commented: "Very useful and great channel. Subscribed!"
Brandon commented: "Dave Moss is a motorcycle racing wizard."
eddie commented: "I just subscribed cause I've been itching to get on a bike lately and I've learned much more from a few videos than anything anyone else had explained or told me! 👍 Great content"
Joe Maffei commented: "Another awesome video! Thanks for sharing your knowledge! Greatly appreciate you!"
PistolPete63 commented: "Fantastic video, it’s a subject I’m very interested in and would like to learn more! Thanks for doing videos like this!"
Keith Bateman commented: "Thank you, great advice"
Denis Frampton commented: "Very practical info thank you. This will help maximize the benefit from my tire pressure monitor / sensor."
Billy One commented: "Hi Dave Another quality video which has really good and helpful information
rumpyGuy commented: "THAT ist incredible! I own a Tuono Factory from 2018 and will use this great video to change my wheel. THANK YOU so much!!"
Peter Ness replied: "Dave Moss Tuning you've a good channel with some good advice, i subbed"
Ameer Sawyer commented: "You are a god ! Thank you"
Nspinicelli replied: "Dave Moss Tuning I've subscribed to you Dave, I'm ecstatic to take my riding to the next level. Already saved me with my brake caliper pistons freezing."
Andrew Smith commented: "This is amazing info!!!!"
Dave, you are a motorcycle nerd, and I mean that with the highest regard. You've forgotten more motorcycle related information than most motorcyclists will EVER know. Thanks for the reminder as the temps climb. I'm off to check my pressures!
Buddy Harshaw commented: "Awesome video mr moss"
Patrick Aephus Dy commented: "Dave is like the chiropractor for motorbikes."
Matthomar commented: "I appreciate videos like this and 2 clicks. Thank you very much I hope to have the blessing of sitting by you while you work one day."
Excellent advice based upon genuine knowledge. Thank you for sharing this. Some people wonder why I close my eyes whenever I sit on a bike that’s new to me. If I cannot get a good feeling from reaching for the bars with eyes closed, either the adjustments are off, or if no adjustments (or different bars) will cure it, that’s not the bike for me. I always want to adjust the levers whenever I get on any bike. I’ve even bought bikes with lever levels set totally differently. Some riders just never realise there’s anything wrong. And any bike with non adjustable reach today just seems cheap. Still no cure for the Harley indicator disease though is there...? 😜
Fvce Down commented: "I seriously think D.M.T. Is one of the most underrated channels on YouTube, why doesn’t he have more subs!? He continuously drops knowledge and not just hearsay and opinions!"
My baby is a Honda ST1300, my weight around 208 pounds 94 kg, my average speed is 60 miles / 96 km and on the highway 80 miles / 128 km tires Bridgestone Battlax slides perfect with 42/42. I bought a compressor, I live in Florida, and in winter and fall the tires hit 38 pounds when there are cold nights. Excellent explanations, thumb up. Thanks Dave
Dylan wayne Stewart commented: "New sub from nz .thanks for the great tips"
MisterMan commented: "Your truly the best....keep up the great videos..."
Víctor Sanchez commented: "Such a good video, ill do it to my fz07"
Just Ride Designs commented: "Thanks for a great video. I have learned a lot from watching."
DER commented: "So much knowledge. I wish there was 10000 of Dave."
cheign Carlos commented: "I love this thanks man your the best"
Sergio Scarponi commented: "Dave saves a few lives doing these kind of adjustments for riders, not a bad legacy now days! Good on Dave."
Francisco Stubner commented: "Thank you for that information, gave me a really nice idea how to manage my tire pressure under different riding conditions and circumstances. Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪"
Matthomar commented: "I appreciate videos like this and 2 clicks. Thank you very much I hope to have the blessing of sitting by you while you work one day."
Mr. Moss is a f@cking legend. If you follow a couple of his advice about suspension and tire pressure you will discover a whole new bike experience! My tires and suspension settings were very hard for my riding style on my CBR 600 and once I experimented with his videos and found my settings, I thought I bought a new bike
Busa James You're such a soldier out there caring for people's comfort of the ride and their experience just putting this out there but I hope all the manufacturers look out for you as well as you do them without you most of us would be riding around in the stone age Thanks again Dr suspension!!!
Maxadrove Unbelievable the amount of difference this made
111111 33 Ive been riding for decades and this video was very informative ,,,,, If I stop learning then I guess I am dead .
Milo Basque Holy shit. You're so straight forward that you seem like an asshole. However, you just Dad talked me into changing all my fluids. Bro, you're awesome. I'm subscribed now. Thank you. I really mean it. I've been riding for almost two decades.... Fucking, been blowing it. I rarely even changed the brake fluid on my Ducati.
TriplePlay VERY helpful. I have "protocols" for all sorts of activities and like to log both data and "feel", mostly for fun. Sometimes hard "engineering", sometimes more about subjective "where's my peak performance feel good zen zone configuration". Mostly it's about personal customizing and optimizing, all about the "WHY" and "WHAT IF". Learning and experimenting as play. You just gave me a new one to play with....
Ross Dave love your channel giving me bike fever again, just give you how long been riding my first Street bike H2 750. Really enjoyed watching your videos I was like you onçe meticulous.
Hirovard I honestly think im just gonna binge these videos, the way things are explained is fantastic and a great learning tool
Socrates commented: "Thanks, Dave, your content showcases your mastery in the topic of motorcycles, I've learned a lot."
Good Morning Dave,
Thank you so much for yesterday you went above and beyond as usual to set my Tuono correcting my body position,
We road up to crest for a test ride right after, going up was all planted, and transformed, coming down I was still noticing the very little front chatter. As a feedback front feels very smooth when road is very smooth, but as soon as road changes then it shows it's sensitivity.
I know mention you will busy today in Thousand Oaks. I am going to ride the bike to Rock Store with little more tire pressure as you suggested 34, but any feedback is appreciated and I will be in touch Thanks again Dave and please be safe during this crazy time
Joseph Hoffamn, USA (remote tune)
Ok….that was some serious voodoo Mr. Moss.
So much more feedback from both ends, and zero “pogo” effect anywhere. Corner exit and braking were excellent. The only thing I could wish for is slightly quicker turn in, but that could partially be me being too gentle. Shake off some more winter rust and that will come back.
Brand new set of Pirelli TDs, targeted 34.5F/28R and just had to bleed the rear as the sun came out, the front I had to add a bit to midday. I was slower in the afternoon, was feeling the burn.
One more track day next weekend then getting my service done. We may have to revisit after that event.
Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge.
Jairo Mateo, California USA
I wanted to thank you again for this morning.
My friend and I rode the canyons after our adjustments and we were both happy with the results. My bike feels so much more stable in corners and is overall less fatiguing to ride. My buddy, on the other hand, said he rode a whole new bike today. In short, we're very happy customers. 🙂
Spending the morning watching some of his videos, education is everything and he is a great teacher. I had the pleasure of meeting him at the Women’s Sportbike Rally in the fall. He fine tuned every aspect of my suspension which was a complete game changer.
He is just as fantastic in person as he is in his videos.
If you ever get the chance chat him up and pick his brain, you won’t regret it!
Vince Passaro, San Diego, California
Thanks again for taking the time to come down and help all of us here in SD.
Feedback on the setup. Wow. You're a master of your craft.
Your adjustment recommendations to the brake leaver is already helping me to brake smoother and I'm finally understanding what braking feedback feels like.
The bikes handling.. I'm at a loss for words. Everything is smooth, responsive, and controlled. In the short ride home, I already feel more comfortable in a turn and confident to apply the throttle--something that I was really struggling with.
Thank you for helping me to fall in love with my bike again.
Jacob Rodak (remote tune)
Just touching base. I was finally able to dust off the ZX10R after a few months of no track time.
I made the slight changes to rebound as you mentioned. Everything felt much better.
Eli Bush (remote tune)
Happy Memorial Day! I just wanted to let you know that….you’re a genus! It’s like a completely different motorcycle now. I’m really enjoying it.
I will email to set another appointment once I get the service completed. Thank you again! Stay safe.
Shaved Alpaca (parts unknown)
Hey Dave and Daver.
Lately I've delved deep into the DMT website, consuming and inhaling oodles of videos and information. Particularly enjoyed the Bridgestone R11 testing video since it was a start to finish experience on how to do everything.
So I set to my 2014 Street Triple R after a year of ownership. Turns out I'm a fatty, based on how much pre-load I had to put in there. There's still static, don't worry. Front was actually pretty decently dampened. No pogo, no harshness, cable tie 30-40 mm from bottom after a spirited ride.The shock was under dampened both ways. Didn't go into a second stroke on rebound but was really fast on it's way up.
Now that my eye is calibrated via your videos I could see that.
I set the compression just above half, so it's a bit firmer, but I like it so far.
Now, my rear tyre (S22, as is the front) had the ever present plight of street motorcycles, the worn down leading edge and raised lip of the trailing edge. The 3 or 4 extra clicks of rebound damping sorted it out after 200km of riding. Still present on the far shoulder/edge of the tyre where I'm guessing I'm coasting.Played around with pressures as well, ambient of around 18 C, front at 2.3 bar and rear at 2.6. Warm pressures, and I do mean just warm, like sticking your hand under your armpit, were at 2.5 and 2.9. So pretty close to the 4 psi gain you recommend for road.
We'll see what happens once summer comes in proper.In any case. Very happy with the knowledge you spread. My confidence went up from the increase in understanding. ADD and all that.
Nir Margolis (remote tune)
Been to track today, bike feels very good. Handling is great.
Wear is super good, attached some photos of the rear & the front (track is 8 right turns 1 u-turn left)
Thank you a lot! the day was perfect mainly because of your setup that fixed my bike behavior.
Kareem Parris, Barbados
I stumbled on you by sheer luck on YouTube and you opened up a whole different perspective relative to motorcycling and I thoroughly appreciate you sharing your knowledge.
I last watched your video on if to buy new or used motorcycles and you saved me from making some costly mistakes. I was about to purchase a 2006 Yamaha R6 with about 58,000 kms on it with no history whatsoever.
Maaan, I just took the 6 out for a test on the new K-Tech rear and I felt it was bouncy in the rear but overall the bike felt pretty good.
I stopped at my usual gas station for some Boudin and was inspecting the tires. I noticed the leading edge of the rear was building up a bit of a ridge (as I was watching the rebound video in the classroom section). Hot damn my assumption was confirmed! Put in a little bit or rebound and will test again shortly.
I was then watching the compression wear video and my rear looks pretty damn good as far as smooth wear line so I've left it alone for now.
The front was smooth on wear save for a couple spots where you could easily see the waves so I've taken out 1 turn of compression in each leg. The edges of the tread looked great though.
I cant thank you enough for putting out your videos to teach people how to suspension tune. I really want to be that good in the future too.
Łukasz Sperling, Lodz, Poland
I can't stop watching Your's video's. I'm under huge impression of your's knowledge.
My bike is 1999 Honda CB 750 and it's not a sport bike, but I have first day on track. I don't have much to set up. Just preload on the back.
But thanks to your video's I have much more understanding how motorcycles suspension works.
Greetings from Poland.
Mich Wendt, USA
I've been following you for the last couple years and have learned a lot from you. Thank you for putting your knowledge out there for all of us and your for your time and keep doing what you are do. You are a blessing to the riding community!
Matt Duff, USA
Thank you for the quick response! I was able to clear the cache, log in, and view everything successfully, and have been busy finishing bike prep for my track weekend since!
I backed out 4 turns from max on front preload to see where I landed during a final street test ride, and still had > 1/3 of my travel left on the front. I am going to watch how that changes under track conditions and see if I need to add any additional preload or compression damping in the front. This is my first time getting to experiment with compression and rebound (only my 2nd season prepping my own bike for the track, and last year I was on a stock SV-650 suspension, which only had preload). So, I am keeping a journal of my settings, and baselining from the damping settings that you set up on another Tuono trackside in one of your videos (it seemed to leave the compression and rebound stroke balanced with my preload adjusted).
I am currently an intermediate rider, but am hoping to build my skills further, and so this weekend I am doing 3 sessions with the California Superbike School at Barber Motorsports Park, and have plans in the work to try to hit 1-2 track weekends a month until the season runs out.
Thank you for the information that you provide, and I am hoping that some dilligence and focus will help me get the most out of this great machine!
Julian, New Zealand
My Father passed away two years ago due to illness but I have to say you played a huge part in me getting over his passing.
I had a trip all booked (called the Southern Tour with the Playdays/Moto TT boys) to visit the four South Island tracks on my then new Street Triple RS. It was only a month prior to that trip that I lost Dad and I had thought about cancelling the trip since I'd never ridden down to the South Island and was still dealing with the grief.
I have to say that attending Shiny Side Up (Kapiti) in 2018 and getting your help to get my bike setup eased my fears and I can report I had one of the best trips of my life-time, the bike performed amazingly on the road and also at the various tracks I visited (believe it or not I was passing locals who knew Ruapuna better than me). I also got to visit the graves of some of my ancestors down in Akaroa which really helped navigate the heavily loss I was dealing with.
Anyway I just want to say a huge thank you for everything you have done for the motorcycling community. I am amazed about how much information you have put out there which is freely available and totally invaluable to the average motorcyclist who is so often oblivious to the safety aspect of riding.
Hope you have a fantastic birthday and thanks so much for all your help. I'm a fan for life!!
Kind regards from NZ 🙂
Have been a casual biker rider since I was 7 years old and presently am nearing 50 (Oh my god I am old) most recently I have changed my bike after 5 years from a Harley street 750 to a tiger 800 keeping in mind that I would like to do more of long distance touring and some off road as well.
Keeping in mind my intentions I started seeing some online videos and stumbled upon one of your videos and after seeing that I was so impressed that I just couldn't help but write to you.
I must say that your knowledge about the ergonomics of a bike and it's rider is just phenomenal and your though process is absolutely clear, your observation is minuet and precise and the advise is simply priceless.
Yours is the first channel that I have subscribed. Please keep up the good work and God Bless You.
Take care and I will keep seeing your videos
Wish I lived in your area so I could attend one of your events. Always amazed how you pinpoint very small details about a bike or rider’s behavior to achieve major improvements.
Keep up the good work!
Everything that I know and have learned about bike suspension and its components...and the way it works...or doesn't work ....has been from watching your videos.
Thanks for being a good teacher and having so much content...it is much appreciated👏👏👏
Roy Johansson, Finland
Hi Dave Moss,
First and foremost I want to thank you for everything you are doing. I used to do some road racing with motard pitbikes some years ago. Although I was pretty successful and have 2 national championships under my belt.
Some issues and other interests however got me to shy away from all the racing and soon after I didn't care about it anymore.
I recently found the videos you are doing and got interested again as you explained aspects of suspension and tyres in a way I understood and that i simply could not grasp before. Now I have got myself 2 bikes, each for different classes. I am about to dive myself into racing again.
You have brought back my inspiration and motivation with an enhanced vision of what and how I need to proceed to advance into my next personal level!
John Gross, Arizona USA (remote tune)
After riding a Harley for a decade I decided I wanted a sport bike to do occasional track days on. I did a lot of research on setup, riding, schools, etc. and came upon some of Dave's videos on YouTube. I have been an on-highway truck technician for 40 years and can tell when someone knows exactly what they are talking about when it comes to mechanical things and Dave is one of those people.
When I started setting up the bike I had some questions regarding springs, shocks and forks. I got a very prompt response to all of my questions and each one was precisely answered. After my first track day I sent Dave a picture of my rear tire wear which was perfect. I am sure as I progress a a rider I will have more questions and can be assured I will get the correct information for whatever problem that may arise. Thank you Dave for all of your hard work and dedication!
Aron Smetana, California
Just thought I’d give you an update following a 60+ mile street ride today on each of my Triumphs.
The Street Triple RS - feels different, I’m not keen enough to point it out but I have to ride it a little differently, it does feel balanced but I think I’d ridden it so long with the previous settings and it was different enough that I had become accustomed to it. I feel like it favors less aggressive inputs now, if that’s a thing.
The D765 - I wish I would have checked in with you on that when I was still in the break-in stage, it feels comparatively plush now! Super planted, I feel like I can comfortably adjust my lines mid-corner without upsetting it, so nice! I was on one of my nearby roads that I probably run a little faster than I should b/c I’m so familiar with it and there was a deer on the side of the road. I was already trail braking but I just swept out a bit to steer clear and no fuss, no drama, no instability, just super adjustable with no problem.
Thanks again, Dave, great work as always!
Neil Cochrane, UK (remote tune)
It (CBR1000RR) handles amazing! Feels like a magic carpet ride. Loads of confidence in front end, which I’ve never really had before. Cable tie is, on average, 20-25mm from where I’ve marked bottom out.
I’ve noticed tyre wear is more consistent now; rear wear is a more linear line whereas it used to be ‘jagged’ previously.
Tried the bike today on COMMUTE settings; felt amazing! Glides over bumps and front end is mint.
Really appreciate your time in helping me out!
All in all, you’ve worked your magic.
Steve Brown, UK (remote tune)
I hope you are staying safe during the covid Pandemic.
They have just eased the lock down in the UK. I have just managed to drive the bike since you sent me the suggested settings.
The bike is miles better than stock, I am really impressed.
I rode it for about fifty miles on a and b roads which is the majority of my riding and deliberately chose some pretty awful road surfaces.
Chad Marshall (remote tune)
Finally got around to changing my settings and went for a really slow, short ride to town. The first setting you gave me is what i applied. Oh my goodness, Such a different feel. The front end is sooo much stiffer it also isn't as " nervous " and feels GREAT ! It feels as though it wants to hold a line better, it also requires a little more energy to initiate turning.
Where as before a feather light touch would be drastic. I am eager to ride once I get my new Dunlop q3 + installed ! Rear tire is actually starting to show cords.
Also the rear end seems to function much better, not as jarring or abrupt ?
Old settings were 2 clicks out in the back for rebound and actually didn't count compression. I have sag, might be on the lower mm threshold however it is there, Front settings were 14 clicks out compression, 8 clicks out rebound.
Thanks again Sir!
Another happy customer,
Guilherme Elçadi, Sweden (remote tune)
Hope all is well with you and your family in this time of world havoc.
During lock down I have taken time to prepare my bike, hence I need your help. I finally changed the rear shock spring of my ZX10R 2015. The spring rate now is 120 Nm.
The bike feels like another bike, incredible, it pulls into the tuns tight, no more wide and unstable turns. What an upgrade, I understand now, really enormous difference.
The track is going to be opening soon though over here, so I'd need your help to tune the correct settings for the new spring (compression, rebound, etc). As by your advice, I installed the spring 12mm shorter than the original length. As it is now the static sag is 5.5mm and the sag with rider in full kit on is 30mm. I weight 104kg in full kit.
Let me know what else I need to do please.
I love your stuff. With the free stuff on YouTube I transformed my bike so I had to sign up for the rest. I got it and it was set up super wack. I love suspension and grip in cars which I race, so naturally it translated over to bikes. I can care less about power and speed, its all about grip and suspension feel for me.
I just did this conversion so that's why I know. In your "2 Clicks Out: Ducati Monster Suspension Setup" at the 21 min mark, you have a black s2r 2005 (same as my bike) which comes with non adjustable forks. Who ever she got the bike from did the conversion I just did and they added Ducati 996 forks. You went to do the compression on the bottom but there was no hole thru the axle. The forks still had compression but who ever did the conversion did not get the 996 axle with the holes drilled (I just ran into this issues trying to adjust my compression). So there is a compression adjuster on the bottom but she still had the regular S2r monster axle.
I love the videos man, there is so much to learn and I'm really making use of all the information you provide. I even swapped the oil on my 996 forks before I put them in.
Alex Filliez, Florida USA
I just set my sag on my KTM rc8r, could not have done it without your willingness to educate the motorcyclist publicly. Thanks! If you ever make it to Florida I'll see you on the track!
I want to thank you as after watching your videos I was able to get my suspension set as you describe in your videos.
I have a Triumph Rocket touring that I ride and drag race with Race Tech gold emulators and 1.1kg springs up front and Ikon shocks rear,
I'm close to being oversprung but because of you I've been able to get proper sag, rebound, compression low and high speed set real nice where I think you'd have put it yourself.
Thanks Dave and if you shoot me an email I would love to buy you a beer. Cheers mate and you're a real blessing. Or I will contribute to Patreon if you have that. I haven't seen that on any of your videos though.
Nathan Baeyens (remote tune)
You've been a great help to me in the past. I had a tire wear issue and you properly guessed it was a worn wheel bearing when nobody else was able to come to that conclusion!
Troy DeRaat, New Zealand (remote tune)
Finally managed to get out on the bike and do some suspension testing today.
As you requested, these are my findings on the settings you provided and running 38/38psi tyres. I did rebuild the front forks in the lock down. So the front end was fully cleaned and serviced to factory specs. I work at a motorcycle shop, as the Parts manager. So I don’t skimp on these jobs. Everything gets done by the book.
I found this to be the best out of the 3 tests. It had the most static sag Front 16mm Rear 10mm. The bike was easily controlled in the corners with high stability. Once turned in it stayed planted and didn’t move off line. Did take more effort to switch between corners in the S-bends. But wasn’t much. The rear felt slightly harsh over larger bumps. Slightly to much rebound I think.
Total suspension travel used was 80mm in the front, for a grand total of 96mm out of 130mm range. Rear was not easy to read. But looks to be using all the travel.
This felt harsh over the bumps. It was more twitchy in the corners. It did turn in easy, but didn’t hold a line as well as setting 1. The static sag was as expected less in the front with the more preload. But the rear sat the same. Front 13mm Rear 10mm. Travel was about the same front and rear. The bike felt as though it was un-balanced as the rear was overpowering the front.
Bounce test on the front, it only bounced up without a slight return back down.
Very harsh. Found it was to firm and rebound was far to much. It felt as though the bike was bouncing me clear of the seat, my lower back had some punishment.
Static sag was the least in the rear. Front 13mm Rear 5mm
So my opinion is Setting 1 is the closest to the way I like the bike to behave and suits the way I ride. I will do some fine tuning over the next few months.
Setting 2 and 3 might work for track riding, but the roads in NZ are quite rough. Especially in the Bay of Plenty where I live.
Must be the heavy weight trucks which NZ like to use. 63 Tonne average weights. Roads only built to cope with 40 tonne units.
The rear suspension is much too high in spring rate for my weight. Even when I carry a passenger, which doubles the total weight. I only go to the second preload position with a passenger. When I save up for the Nitron rear shocks, I will point out to Robert Taylor that I found the stock suspension to hard. I need a lower spring rate to give me more adjustment on the preload. The current stock shocks are on the softest setting, giving me no room to go softer if I needed too.
Also. The front tyre setting of 38psi made a massive difference to the handling. I noticed the turn in response to be much more instant.
I would like to thank you for your help and knowledge.
Curt Seiberlich, High Plains Raceway (remote tune)
Good afternoon! I hope you had a productive weekend.
My track day at High Plains went well. I went easy and focused on fine tuning the dynamic setting...I made one click adjust acceleration and mid-corner.
I've never had a tire wear so evenly.
I spent the first 2 sessions getting a good basic setting on rebound and compression. And I could definitely tell the bike felt more and more stable - I could easily tighten up my lines.
By the third session I started going consistently 0.5-1 second faster than my previous best lap time, and comfortably sliding knee in every corner. Once I got in I did start to notice what looked like a geometry tear on the rear tire. I tried stiffening up the front and and opening up rear compression. This only made the tear worse and initiated more spinning of the rear, after 7 sessions a new personal lap record and a shredded rear tire I decided that was enough riding.
When I got home it suddenly hit me... Chain tension... I only got the final parts for the bike a day before my track day, and I was up till 11.30 pm putting the bike together. That resulted in the "small" mistake of an over tightened chain. So a new tire and looser chain, I am quite comfortable.
I have a decent setup, and a valuable lesson for my next track day. Thanks for all the help.
Rob Walklin, UK
Watched your video on the v4s , what can I say but thank you so much.
I could dial the bike in on the track; but on the road just could not get it right. Thhe bike was a pig.
Being a x racer you would think I could set it up😩 - any way took in what you advised; Now I have a rapid and very usable road bike .
All the best buddy
Jiri Kralik, Czech Republic
First track day done so I can try to evaluate the changes. You suggested to change the oil height and were interested to hear about the results…well, I don’t know what is the best yet, but here’s what I found so far.
As recommended, I put in 10W Motorex oil, standard height 118 (from the top of the tube when at lower position without the spring) + I added 10ml on top. I couldn’t do the "just kiss bottom test" as mentioned in the video (18th minutes), I couldn’t bottom it even before disassembly.
Pressure 2.0 bar (29psi) front and 1.9 (27,5) rear Metzeler sportec M7RR, hot 2.1(30.5) front, 2.4 (34,8) rear. If I put 2,2 in front, the tire slides before the bike stands on the front wheel.
Ambient temp about 20°C, max speed at the small track is about 100km/h. (If that would be of your interest, I would be happy to send you a onboard video)
Front: 7 turns of preload/ 22mm sag
12 dots (1 turn) out of rebound (Because the rebound and compression didn’t have any fine-tuning scale but is very sensitive at almost closed state, I aded 12 dots around so I can orientate better. Both has 3 turns total, but changes happen only in a first turn)
6 dots (½ turn) of compression.
Shock: 33mm sag, 10 click rebound (30 total) (no compression settings)
Front was too hard (I think), understearing on the throttle when going out of the corner. Front very bouncy when warmed up. Fork stroke left (zip tie from the bottom out) 28 mm (wasn’t breaking as hard as latter in the day I think)
In following sessions I went through this settings:
6 turns preload, 3dots out rebound, 4 dots out compression - better handling on the throttle out of the corner, stroke left 27mm
5.5 preload, 3 rebound, 4 compression - 19mm stroke left
5 turns preload, 2 rebound, 4 comp. - 13mm stroke left, good going out of corner. …Im not sure if that was just because I went on brakes too much or to fast (or other mistake towards the end of the day) but before several corners the back started to dance around when hard breaking.
I didn’t do any changes to the shock.
What I understand from that:
1. I probably don’t know how to use the breaks in a way that the bike slows down but keeping it stabil. Or the front already too soft on preload or back little too hard.
2. Little less oil might give me better results in terms of letting me little lower while having more preload so it’s not too soft mid range of stroke
3. Thicker oil might shift the rebound setting little away from end of adjustment - there is a really big difference in 2 or 3 dots out in rebound, but very little from 4 - fully open.
4. I definitely should have bought fully adjustable shock instead of YSS with only rebound adjustment (doesn’t really work the way I would recognize any difference anyway, but was as much as I could afford)
5. To be honest, I’m surprised how big change just a little more oil made. It also may be that I just didn’t evaluate the results correctly last year and it wasn’t as bad as I thought. At least I got more into the settings and know better where I am and what I can do.
This the track day gave me some possibilities to play around with settings which I enjoy almost as well as riding it self, but I need much more of both to improve (both).
I know this is a lot of text, so if you made it so far, I really appreciate it 🙂
Im also enclosing some pictures…front looks pretty well to me. I can see there is a problem with the rear - the back edge is scrubbing-of cause rebound was too slow before (so I think it’s getting better), but there are triangles appearing… I’ll have to go through your videos again to find out what that is.
As you can tell for sure from the tire wear, I’m not using much of a lean angle and also pretty soft on throttle out of the corner. These are two weak points I'm working on (among others, endless list of what to improve 🙂
Excuse the dirt on tires, the way from the track to the parking place is not the cleanest.
James Mccafferty, Los Angeles USA
Getting back to you on lowering the front of my MT09... Dude great call!
I originally only lowered it 2mm cuz I didn't think it would work and I didn't want the thing to chatter on brakes either... But today I said what the heck and went another 3... And the thing wants to turn sharper all over!
No more going wide and is fine on brakes too.
Just few pics from my/our first track day this year (my first with my proper bike)...
I hope we did well, all morning played with pressures, temps and suspension.
I rode Pirelli sc1 f&r (2,30-1,90bar) and my mate rode Dunlops and we fought with pressures and his geometry (like you taught us). Finally got it right for afternoon sessions,pressures were(1,9-1,5bar). We measures pressure and temps before/after every session, it was worth it.
Thanks for your content!!!
John Vangrunsven (remote tune)
I reduced the installed preload to 10mm on the VTR shock by machining the preload collar more so the lowest setting changed the static sag. Got a home run!
Static sag is 10mm
Rider sag is 30mm
Combined sag is 40mm.
Did a shakedown test, shock feels amazing! With 0.9 fork springs, 10wt fork oil, correct preload in rear and a functional rebound needle..the bike feels really, really good. Stable under braking, accuracy during corner entry and pretty good on exit. It was a 5/10 before now 9/10.. Thank you!
I’m going to tear apart the 03 GSXR 600 shock for practice. Then do a shock fluid change on an ‘07 ZX6R shock that is installed in my SV650. The rebound valve is pretty much ‘all in’ and tire wear shows ‘rebound too fast’..so hoping fresh shock oil will do the trick.
Thanks for the guidance! Excited to take the next step..really appreciate the time you take out of your day to help me.
Maxwell Martin, USA (remote tune)
Just wanted to check in with you and let you know my bike is handling better than ever, and I’m an improved rider because of it!
Stan, Germany (remote tune)
I want to thank you a lot for the great content and all of these useful guides. I'm a new-ish rider with about 5000 km of experience and I always thought that you need to fight against the bike to be able to ride it.
After discovering some of your videos on YouTube and diving in with the DMT website Total Access Premium Subscription in all the videos on the website I'm finally able to somewhat adjust the suspension of my bike and feel the ease and joy of riding a motorcycle. Thank you very very much and I wish you a lot of years and a ton of health to keep going and sharing your knowledge!
Just wow... I have dialed in the numbers, took all the preload on the fork out and had a blast. The bike feels totally different. Much more agile, nimble I would say.
I'm not fighting against it in corners, instead I'm pointing where I want to go and he just goes there. I still can't believe how much change it is... I doesn't feel light on the front wheel, as it was after my compression adjustments. It feels like it is more planted and I can feel how the front wheel behave itself on the road! Thank you a lot!
Phillip Artweger, 2014 Street Triple R (remote tune)
Hello Dave !
I have found the last few rides on my Streets, the ride over the bad roads here felt worse and worse. Also I didn’t feel comfortable with my front wheel grip. Initially I thought that maybe the suspension was supposed to be so stiff and also that my tires were on their way out (Conti road attack 3 with 7500km on them.)
Then after your last videos about the rear shock I decided to see how much travel I’ve used and found that the shock was unused about 10-12mm from the bumper. After backing off the preload in the rear, finally it dawned on me that I’ve been an idiot and my shock (and as it turned out my fork) where hydraulically too stiff!
I got a friend to help me do the measurements (last time I did that alone and obviously messed it up big time !) and set out to completely reassess the settings. What I found was a not of a bit of a surprise, but almost immediately confirmed and clicked into place with how the bike rode.
The settings turned out to be as follows:
- front shock full extended 123mm (to lower edge of dust seal)
- static front 95mm - 28mm
- rider: 79 - 44mm
- rear shock full extended 618mm
- static 596mm - 22mm
- rider 568mm - 50mm -> Yikes !!
No wonder it was bad, the rear shock topped out 12mm above the bumper so in effect I only only used about 40mm of travel with way too much compression.
Front fork was similar - it had too much sag. Under hard braking I bottomed about 25mm from the stop, so way too little preload and too much compression. Also I found I couldn’t make rebound fail with the rebound wide open, which compounded the misery.
I finally understood why I had felt so uncomfortable in corners and felt the bike to let’s say understeer (leaned over it felt the tire was sliding towards the outside of the turn which was very uncomfortable). The huge sag in the rear with the bike lower caused it to squat in the corner as soon as I went on the throttle. Combined with the too slow rebound that should explain that sliding feel and the extreme harshness on the uneven bits was also because both shocks where hydraulically too stiff.
So we went and set up changes:
- rear preload 3 CW
- rear 618
- static 605 - 13mm
- rider 578 - 40mm
- front preload 3CW
- front 123mm
- static 97mm
- rider 83mm - 40mm
- front rebound completely open (no bounce)
- rear rebound wasn’t touched as the tire wear is good,
- rear comp 8 click out (16/22)
- front compression 4 clicks out 14/19
After test ride:
front comp 16/19
rear comp 17/22
- much better ride, no pogoing, rear shock 5mm above stop, front fork after hard braking 2cm above stop
The bike is so much better! On the harsh bits where I couldn’t ride faster than 80kph I can now go 120kph! Confidence in tire grip during lean is perfect now. Not had a single time I felt less than perfect stability and grip.
Now I’d say this is probably on the soft side of settings. Would you recommend adding preload to get to 35mm of rider sag? I think that might be the upper limit for my bike and my weight to still have some static sag in rear. If I go to a track I would first increase preload like this then add compression so my forks don’t bottom out correct?
Thanks for all your guidance Dave !
Rich Bourne Lincolnshire, UK
Successfully changed seals bushes were fine.
Massive thank you to you as I followed your process on these Showa forks on my Ducati.
Oh and I have the Adjustable C spanner/wrench on route to me.
Kevin Yamashita, California USA
So I first met Dave about a month ago. I had heard all about his zen like skills when it comes to suspension tuning and had watched a lot of his YouTube videos. He ended up coming to my house and tuning about 5 of my bikes along with a few bikes of some friends.
His process and methodology was fascinating to watch. He's has a clinical approach to tuning bikes which reminds me a lot of how a surgeon preforms surgery. It's based on several inputs, which includes rider height, weight, how they sit on the bike, tire wear, etc. This I was expecting, but what really blew me away was his gift of teaching and explaining this process and methodology to a novice like me in a way that I could understand.
Once we got the initial set up dialed in we rode together for a few hundred miles on different types of roads and conditions. We did this on my new 2020 Ducati Streetfighter V4S and stopped every 30-40 miles to reinspect the tire wear and make further adjustments as needed.
The thing I've learned about Dave is that his adjustments are all based on real world data, not theories or hypothesis. The tires don't lie and they tell a different story for each specific rider. This is an art much more than a science and Dave's years of real world experience can not be translated in a book or seminar. Having witnessed his process live I know understand that first hand. The transformation I now feel on the bike is hard to put in words. "telepathic" is the best word I can think of.
The bike goes and does what I want it to do. Whereas before I felt taxed coming off of a 50 mile ride. After this last ride of 150 spirited miles I felt like I could ride a 150 more. Turn in was better. The bike absorbed the bumps much better, but was planted enough in the corners to instill confidence mid corner as well as on the gas in corner exit. Also I noticed tire wear was much more uniform. I was riding harder but asking less of the tires.
We'll see in a few months but my expectation is I'll get more life out of my tires, while at the same time riding safer and using the suspension the way it was designed now that it's been set up for my size and riding style.
Best of all Dave is about the nicest bloke I've dealt with in a long time. Someone you truly enjoy spending time with. No question I asked was too rudimentary to Dave and he always took the time to explain everything in a way even a novice like me could understand. He provides a great service to the motorcycling community and after my time on the Streetfighter I'm a believer.
There won't be a bike I buy and ride that Dave won't touch going forward. Thanks Dave!!!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge Mr. Moss. Me and my brother riding tracks on track days just for fun and learning as we go. These pieces of advice and knowledge are gold to us and help a bit in understanding what is going on. Thanks a lot! Keep going.
TheGeneral00 commented: "Love this video Dave! Way to be an influencer and share the knowledge to help the beginners. If I ever have the chance to teach someone else how to ride I’m definitely referencing this lesson plan.
Brilliant stuff Dave. I've always wondered how best to teach it. This makes sense. The way I learned was clutch, throttle, gears and turning all at the same time (on a 250 road bike) and resulted in much frustration and a bit of missing skin. This is much better
Dave did my '16 at THill 4 years ago. I still use those settings as my basis. He gave me a street setting based on my final track setting that day and it works great with a few modifications over time. Still love my Factory. Wish I could get out on it but C19 is not making life easy.
Mario Robledo commented” “Hi Dave. Ninja 1000 has fresh fork oil and seals. I set the sag and tested it. So much better; more agile, responsive. Bike does not feel heavy now. Next is springs for the FZ10. ”
Patricia Richardson commented: "Dave has helped me out so much he's a legend when it comes to setup and what's good is he speaks in layman's terms.."
Nick Massey commented: "great video, this is one of my all-time favourite bikes. I have a Friday question suggestion. Can you have a "good" track day/Superbike School" bike that has abs you can not turn off?
Sanger Y commented: "This guy is awesome."
Thank you Dave. My bike is going in next week so I'll talk to my mechanic about this. I've been showing your videos to my wife and son (neither ride) and both are impressed with your articulate words and knowledge. Needless to say I'm very impressed also. Thanks again.
Thanks, this is great. I got one of these MT09s on standby for this track season. It was great to see you already had a video on this bike. Been a subscriber for coming up on 3 seasons now and your insight has been terrific.
moLded cAse commented: "Wow this guy is good."
Grant Kallevig commented: "Hands down the best motorcycle suspension channel on the internet."
I was literally waiting for this video for the comparison of suspension between both. I just adjusted my suspension on my R almost exactly same way. Too much compression and rebound in back. Especially the rebound felt like a pogo stick. Forks only needed to be changed a lil bit. Thanks for the videos I learn a lot.
Not going to lie, I thought this was snake oil until I saw the s1000 and could actually notice the difference as he adjusted the rebound and how the bike would move. (I actually didn't think it was fake, but with the other bikes I couldn't notice a change when they were pressed, so I assumed it was something only the rider would notice)
Wow, first time watching this and I already learned a lot. Thanks!
Awesome Dave. Just like the link you just shared with me, those symptoms are exactly what I was feeling. At first I thought I needed to get used to the throttle/clutch operations. But when I saw all that slack... a light bulb turned on in my head. Also, I’ve always been a bit unsure of how much I should move my chain up and down to take my measurement. Now I know. You ROCK man! Now I need to get to your neck of the woods and hit the track!
47MasoN47 replied: "Dave Moss Tuning I should have checked that before. You nailed it. I'll inflate the front to match the rear. Thank you sir."
Richard B replied: "Dave Moss Tuning Cheers Dave, all sorted now."
@Dave Moss Tuning Thanks for replying. The SV1000 seems to love lower front-end. I already 'raised' the forks by 5mm but it seems to want more. Surprisingly the bike doesn't get unstable at all. Your 2-clicks-out video's helped me out a ton on setting compression/rebound. Bike has been transformed! Thanks
What a vast amount of knowledge, riveting watching Dave. I've adjusted my Hayabusa by the recommendations in the manual too after watching your video's Dave, and please to say that the setting really needed adjusting, the front for instance were not even at the same clicks. I've done 3 clicks out. As its a new bike for me I didn't know how it performed before I done the adjustments. The rear however, there very limited space to get in and make shock adjustments, but will try again soon. After the Corona virus clamp down, (were not allowed to make unnecessary journeys in the UK) I'm looking forward to riding my bike again. You got me real hooked Dave thanks for your attention to detail. Regards Dave D
Tijmen G replied: "Thanks again, your explanations are brilliant, might get the premium account on your website!"
Claude V. commented: "The best channel ever!"
Jay Bee commented: "Dave after Chopper Reid your my favourite Aussie. Seriously think about writing a book. Peace and thank you for what you share. Straya 🇦🇺"
Patrik Masserati commented: "Thanks for all your videos"
Jilles Wielaard commented: "Replaced the oil and seals this week using this video! Thanks Dave!"
Michael Rullis replied: "Road Warrior absolutely not. Listen to doctor dave!"
Jim Matyas commented: "Boy I have been riding with factory settings for 11 years. Wow!! Thank you!"
vanhap commented: "Thank you Dave for your most helpful videos. all of them!
Elliott Bruh commented: "You are the first person to mention side to side play good video"
Nazveel Patel commented: "1st time viewed and became fan on 15 sec"
Yet another awesome video Dave. Thanks to you I now know I have an FZ-07 with zero static sag due to non adjustable front forks with spacers 10mm too long, fork oil 5w too light, and springs rated about .5kg too heavy for my weight but not enough mechanical ability to do a damn thing about it lol. Keep up the great work!
Hey Dave, awesome podcast. Subscribing to your website has helped a TON in learning the ins and outs of my suspension. Thanks for all your content.
Bob Holsopple commented: "Waiting for my Maxima 20wt. for my Yamaha FZ6R to arrive Friday. Thank you Dave for these videos and your help. Without witch, I would have never attempted this service. Super squishy
vanhap replied: "Dave Moss Tuning Thanks Dave for your wealth of tuning and setup videos. Love having the audio sharing what and why your doing as you go along.. You've set the bar very high my friend."
I am eager for this "national emergency" to be sorted out and we all are safe and healthy where the only personal protection include helmet and leathers- thanks for sharing your wisdom, it's much appreciated. This is exactly what I was after-
Down & Dirty commented: "This guy might be the best guy in the super moto class. Makes me want a sportbike again"
Remedy Diga commented: "Gold! Thanks for sharing this!"
E Galindo commented: "First time I know about adjusting the bike for a track. I have never been on a track but, eventually I will. Thank you very much"
I love how Dave Moss looks at a bike, hears and sees things that the owner doesn't know anything about, even serious riders don't see it. He could read the bike when it's been mistreated, if it was poorly set up or even the bikes fitment to the owners. I love your videos man. Keep it up! I'm learning and spreading your wisdom to friends who ride. Thank you!
Oh man this series is great (I want to join the sport of motorcycling). I got my endorsement last summer. I bought a bike then did the parking lot drills and around my neighborhood. Max speed about 40mph. Over the winter I couldn't ride (snow and low temps). I upgraded the suspension for fully adjustable and followed all your videos and did it myself. Hit the target of 35mm of sag (rider+static). As the weather is getting nice here I'll get out and re-do the parking lot stuff first before I get back on the main roads. Thank you for all your hard work for the community.
115BID B commented: "Great tips!! 👏👏"
David Price commented: "Zen Master! Feeling fortunate here."
ZDJames commented: "Hours of forum reading information condensed in 6 minute video. Definitely bookmarking this video"
John, Bend Oregon, USA (remote tune)
Thanks for all your help. Btw I like how thorough your videos are and how much you explain the aspects of what you are doing, you are doing an awesome job. Your suspension videos have helped me tremendously adjusting my bike to how I ride. 👍
As soon as I flipped the tire on the rim to the correct position (even though it doesn't look it) the trailing is gone and the bike runs as straight as can be!
Thanks for all your advice and I'll definitely be referring my other riders to your videos and channels if they need help.
Neil Cochrane, UK (remote tune)
All sorted! Thanks, Dave.
Can I just say how great your videos are? I've learnt more from you in the last two weeks regarding suspension than in my whole biking career!
I've dialed some tweaks into the Blade as per some of your guidance, so I'll give it a test ride when I can (can only use it for work at the moment due to lockdown).
Wish you were UK-based! I may have to sort a remote session with you.
Thanks again for replying and all the best.
First off, thank you for all the free information and how-to procedures you provide on YouTube. Invaluable information explained concisely and on level depending upon the individual.
A mark of a great teacher.
Steve Tourdo, California, USA
Dave tuned my 2019 KTM 1090 Adventure R and the changes were amazing. I was running the middle settings on everything right from the factory as it’s a new bike.
Once Dave worked his magic the bike was transformed into a much more manageable monster dual sport for handling the crappy back roads of northern California. No more diving on heavy braking and the bike seems to track much better all around- well worth the investment.
Thanks Dave- you’re AWESOME!
Aws Dawood, New Zealand
There are no words to describe the knowledge that Dave has! Dave did multiple suspension tuning on my MV Agusta Dragster RC and turned it from great handling to extraordinary. Not only did he check the settings and listened to my feedback but he was able to figure out the issue from reading the different patches on both tyres.
He straight away applied the changes required and boom the bike is transferred!
Only Dave Moss can make a great handling bike better every time he makes a small change on it. Can't thank you enough and I sincerely hope that your future plans work! All the best. Aws from New Zealand"
Chris Alison (remote tune)
Your help has been invaluable. Your videos has been a precious source of insight for me. More power to you.
Piotr Jakimowicz, Leszno, Poland
I AM a huge fan of you and your videos on YT. Thanks to you I have improved a lot of my track day experience and motorcycle knowledge!
Jonathan Easter, New Zealand
Hi Dave and fellow bikers.
I met Dave in Napier, New Zealand for the Ride forever talk last month before the lockdown, After talking to him he offered to go outside and look at the bike and provided a quick analysis, he made some adjustments and suggestions.
Along with the talk he gave I have made the following adjustments to my bike
- fork oil change
- zip tie front fork, a measure of suspension used and adjustment of preload (progressive springs)
- adjustment of preload and dampening on TEC shocks rear.
- handlebar change with clutch and Front brake levers correctly positioned.
- gear lever and brake lever (rear) adjustments to suit my feet and position on the bike.
A huge thanks to Dave for making me aware of fitting the bike to me.
Comfort, ride, and safety all addressed by meeting you:- my bike truly is part of me now with your help.
Jeethendra Calmero, Suriname (remote tune)
Greetings from Suriname,
Ever been wondering how it felt to get your bike suspension tuned, well I did. Watched every movie there is to watch on YouTube and even tried to do it myself. After a service of the front forks I did try it myself and tried to adjust my front and rear suspension. Let’s say the bike rode okay until you have a problem of sliding to the front and wondering if you should get your bike lowered.
Then comes the moment when you need to service your forks again, looking at the situation you think about lowering the bike to get all the things done in one swoop. And still linger around the thought, should you really lower your bike?
Then you think about contacting the pro, so I did. In December 2019 I just did that, I send Dave a PM with the problem I’m having of sliding to the front when riding. Dave opted to give me a free tune being the first from Suriname to reach out, being as I am, I offered to still pay (always pay for good advice). Broke my right hand before I ever got a chance to test the tuning settings, 6 weeks later my hand got out of cast so I couldn't resist trying the settings out.
The bike felt great no more sliding to the front. Great control over potholes and bumps. The bike felt solid. In short it is worth it. So if you have the same problem of sliding to the front while riding I would suggest you to check your suspension first, before doing anything else or altering your bike. You will be surprised how your bike will handle after a good suspension tune.
Thanks again Dave. Greetings from Suriname Jeet
Eirik Skjaveland, Rogaland, Norway
Through your help, I managed to sort the very soft front end of my Deauville 650, investing only time and the cost of a litre of oil. I cut off the majority of the tightly (soft) end of the fork springs, because they required 60 mm of preload to get a ride sag of 35 mm. With oil level at 108 mm, the forks still bottomed under moderately hard stops. After cutting, heating, bending - and grinding the cut end flat to mimic the factory spring end, the springs were down to from their stock 417 mm to 312 mm free length.
With the stock 35.2 cSt fork oil, there was virtually no compression damping (stanchion would just drop rapidly to the bottom by its own weight) and not much rebound. I swapped to a 57.1 cSt fork oil, which turned out great. I have reduced preload from 60 to 10 mm. Static sag is 23 mm, with me normally seated (104 kg with all gear) I read 36 mm. Oil level has been adjusted to compensate for the loss of spring and different spacers to give the same air volume as before.
The same amount of braking that just bottomed the forks before now leave 15 mm of travel to cope with bumps or maximum braking, although combining the two will likely still bottom the forks. But it is a touring bike, not a racer.
The change in operation is drastic. The front end is a lot more settled, comfort is remarkable, with the incessant little jitters on normal roads gone. And the bike now steers neutrally and retains its line perfectly, whether leaned 10 degrees or enough to fold the pegs, whereas it used to be almost impossible to keep a steady lean and the desired trajectory. A different bike in every respect, that also copes better on any kind of surface, including frost heaves.
So thank you so much for all the tips you have shared, even though cutting springs are not part of the tutorial AFAIK. And I also lucked out by getting the cut right first time out, admittedly. (I also have a MT/FZ07 that I have spent a lot of money one that behaved very differently stock compared to the stock bike you fixed, but that's another book...)
Jarrod Pellizzer, Fremont, California.
I was lucky enough to be able to get a 2019 Ducati V4s. For being one of the top bikes right off the showroom floor, I was surprised at how loose and all over the place the bike felt when I was going through turns at a good pace. It has so many suspension settings that you can easily adjust that I thought I would go through it and try and fix those problems myself.
BIG MISTAKE. lol
I actually made things worse. The whole bike did this crazy wobble as I was accelerating coming out of turns. I needed it set up properly. So I got a hold of Dave Moss.
Unfortunately he was overseas at the time so I couldn't make an appointment in person. No problem though. He offers FaceTime or Skype appointments so I took advantage. He knew the bike so well without even seeing it that he was able to walk me through the settings on the display. Of course I had heard the terms rebound and preload but I didn't have a thorough understanding of what those really meant. So he had to interpret what I was telling him about how the bike felt.
First thing I said was, I feel like the front and the rear of the bike are not cooperating with each other and it does this wobble type thing and pushes out wide coming out of turns. Let the adjustments begin! He knew exactly what to do. We adjusted the rear shock for my weight and found out that I had made everything way too stiff while trying to fix the wobble problem. Within 30 minutes we had most of the issues sorted out.
He said go out in the next couple weeks and test it out and come back to me with what you think and we will make final adjustments. We ended up getting some rain and some things came up for preventing me from being able to get out anytime soon.
About two months later I had an opportunity to go out to lake Berryessa and take a real good ride. It felt like a completely different bike. It was no longer pushing out wide coming out of turns and it felt much more stable. I still had a problem, when I hit the brakes hard the front of the bike was dipping down too far, which didn't give me confidence when dropping into turns and the back tire was coming off the ground more than I'd like. A little bit is normal when going fast but this was too much.
I heard by this time that Dave was back in the area and that I could see him in person though it had been long enough I thought he may have forgotten about me. I got in touch with him and he remembered me and my bike and said come on by. I showed up and gave him my take on what was happening now. Again he makes more adjustments and says go try it. We must have done this 4 or 5 times and he was as patient as could be. With each adjustment my issues were getting much better. At one point I came back and we had gone a tiny bit too far. I said okay, I'm losing the feel of the front end and when I'm in a turn it feels like the front is floating. Very technical terminology I know.
He smiled and made one more adjustment and we were good. I took the bike out on a road called Calaveras, very technical and a good spot to test out the changes that were made. I was impressed. The bike now felt so stable and so solid on corner entry and had no wobble while accelerating out of the turns. I had so much confidence and felt like the bike was doing exactly what I told it to do. The rear wheel lift was under control and all around it just felt great.
Now the Ducati was what I expected it to be.
With a proper suspension setup I feel like the bike was designed specifically for me. I couldn't be happier and will have all my bikes set up by Dave in the future. It makes all the difference.
Shiv Pathak, Danville, USA (remote tune)
Yep I was surprised now nice it was after the suspension was set up for street use after talking to Dave for settings. Never really rode it on the street before and I expected it to be very uncompromising. Dave Moss is in town tomorrow and he is going to sprinkle some of his "fairy dust" on it.
Aaron Li, Singapore (remote tune)
Hey Fellow Bikers around the world!
Greetings from Sunny Singapore!
I recently did up my bike with the Wilbers (WESA Conversion) and initially assumed that it would be plug 'n play with the 'perfect settings'. However, after catching dozens of videos on suspension setup on the DMT website, I decided to approach Dave via email to seek his advice.
Dave has been extremely patient in listening to all my queries and he made sure that the settings he suggested, were tuned to my specific needs and not simply plugged out of the motorcycling sky.
I have learnt through this experience that even with ESA, it is still crucial to find the best compression, rebound and preload balance for yourself with our own riding styles, tyre setup and overall bike setup. I definitely would not have gotten it setup so quickly and safely on my own.
Thank You Dave!
Jeremy Purdue, USA (remote tune)
Because of your videos and understanding I'm respringing my drz400s for me, can't afford valving yet but maybe one day.... Once again thanks for the knowledge you impart!
Brennan Anderson, Albany Oregon, USA (Remote Tune)
You are truly a magician! You have help me dial in every bike I have owned.
Troy De Raat, New Zealand (remote tune)
Thanks so much for your expertise and advice. You're a true legend in your field.
I will rebuild my GSX1400 forks after our lock down in NZ. Then once we are allowed to ride our bikes again I will go and do some testing, riding the same roads to get a good feel for each change. I will then send you a report on my findings.
Gareth Davies, Wales, United Kingdom (remote tune)
Dave, thank you for the remote tuning session on my 690 SMC R.
You made it super easy to overcome the time differences between the US and UK.
I was skeptical to begin with and a little nervous doing the video call but I must say, it was worth every penny and within seconds I felt comfortable as we got to work.
We dove straight into the bike with clear instructions. The bike went from being disconnected to working as one.
What surprised me the most was Dave was able to see my handlebars were out of alignment from factory. We quickly centralized this and went on to fix the positioning of the levers. I would have been none the wiser if Dave hadn't noticed.
Bike feels great on the road. If you have any doubts about how your suspension should feel, go straight to Dave!
I look forward to our follow up session in a few thousand miles.
All the best, Gareth Davies.
Fredrik Söderqvist, Sweden (remote tuning)
Thanx for you help last season with the suspension settings. FYI, I have now had a first go this season n test with the new settings. As you recommended I fixed the settings ti tilt the chassi forward with the main effects from rebound damping set to two clicks out from full in combination with letting the forks come up one mark thus showing three lines above clamp. That did it. Image greetings from yesterdays green value resort track day at Eskilstuna which is about 100 k from Stockholm and 37 k from my house.
Christopher Sattell, Ireland
I have just tuned into your web site must say its fab. I was watching your video with great interest - my bike is only factory stock Mt 07. I would just like to thank you for all the information your putting out there.
Nik Simo, Sacramento, California
Bike felt amazing. I’ve never had it so stable through turns as I did after your tuning
I’m getting down more and feel the need for knee sliders
Before it would start sliding and I blamed my weight for that but even with almost same weight I got my entire tire worn in
It’s LOVE! Thanks Dave!
Kevin Burgess, San Francisco, California
Dave is a super talented guy who has been doing this for a long time. What he does is simply set the bike up for your weight. And maybe a little geometry. Great bang for the buck for sure.
But where Dave shines is when you are working on lap times and you have a chatter here and a little slide there. Dave will dial you in closer till more thing need to change:- springs, valving maybe oil weight. Love ya Dave. Here in the Bay Area we are blessed with a few great suspension shops.
Darnel Hill, Sacramento, California
I had your service today and it was truly amazing 10/10 recommended cant wait to work with you some more, hopefully just more than the suspensions
Ron Schultz, Sacramento, California
Man.. To anyone that hasn't had Dave Moss work his magic.. You are in for a treat! Guy is a genius. Simply put.
I've learned so much about my bike. Riding preferences, specific bike settings for certain rides, starting a baseline for said settings to understand your adjustments and how to adjust for your riding style moving forward..
All I can say is listen, listen, listen! Thanks D..
Garrett Dinkins, Elk Grove, California
Just want to get a HUGE shout.
Your knowledge for the Ducati helped me a huge amount and I learn a lot from our session together. Thank you for everything and even offering further help when I get the new spring! Couldn’t be more grateful to have someone so patient and knowledgeable helping me!
Also, did a nice ride today and tried out both modes we programmed. Could not be happier on and off road.
Melissa Domingo, Sacramento
I can't thank you enough for that adjustment. She feels way different and is way more comfortable for my shortness.
Thanks a million again and I definitely can’t wait for more future adjustments and mini lessons learned. 😍 oh and definitely thank you for being so considerate when you showed up to my place. Really appreciate the precautions done. Thanks again.
Richard Hollebon (remote tune)
I watched the first video with enormous interest as my Daughter has an MT07, when I have ridden it I always thought how strange it handled, but just thought it was because my normal ride is a FJR1300.........
Anyway I persuaded my daughter to watch both videos, then with my oversight she completed the mods as suggested, also set the bike as suggested in the first video, and wow the improvement is amazing. I wanted to try and get my knee down, I could also feel the limitations of the rear suspension (which is easy to live with) the bike now goes where you point it.
I tried not to give the game away as I wanted my daughter to be objective it is after all her ride. As it turns out she gave pretty much the exact same feedback as me.
A real value for money mod and a very informative tuition video that enabled my daughter to complete the mods with little input from me. So a big thank you from both of us for sharing this information
Lee Brian, London UK (remote tune)
Hi Dave, I just wanted to let you know, I managed to get a quick ride in before the covid-19 lock down hit the UK, and the setup changes you recommended have made the bike so much better to ride, thank you so much for your time and efforts
Neil Thomas, Wales, UK (remote tuning)
Thanks very much for replying to me Dave. It's very kind of you to help me.
By me using the advice that you've tirelessly experimented and invested a lot of time and effort into achieving, saves me having to send my suspension out for expensive upgrades,which I'm not a fan of. I prefer to do as much as I can myself.
I'll let you know how I get on once I get the oil and do the work. Stay safe in these very strange times at present and thank you for your help and sharing your knowledge.
Jeff Sidlovsky, Atlanta, USA
Just wanted to say thank you!
I wanted to send you my thanks for all the work you do and the videos you post.
I’m sure you’ve heard this before, and I’m embarrassed to admit it, but I was nervous to change any settings on my bike because I was afraid I would mess something up. How stupid of me! Kind of beating myself up over that, why was I so nervous? Because I didn’t understand how things worked.
I found your suspension tuning videos on Youtube, and they really gave me the confidence to try it out on my own bike. I also gained the confidence to change my own brake pads (I kept referring to your video on the Aprilia .. I used a toothbrush!).
I’ve now watched dozens of your videos on Youtube (trash or treasure GSX-R was great!), and seeing your mission on your website, well, you’ve definitely had a positive impact on me as a rider and you have improved my understanding of how my motorcycle suspension works. So I wanted to share that with you.
I ride a 2012 S1000RR and live near Atlanta, Georgia. There’s so much more I want to learn. I wish I lived in California so I could meet you in person. Maybe one day!
Again, my sincerest thank you for all you do.
Maxwell Martin, Michigan, USA (remote tune)
I’ve been out a couple of times since the last time you emailed me. My bike feels incredibly compliant and planted in corners versus how it did prior to adjustments.
I’m using about 2/3 of my fork travel, so I might take a turn or 2 of preload out, but otherwise everything else feels very stable. I’ve been running 36 front and rear and it feels good.
When they warm up, I gain about 4-5 PSI on 60 degree day from the way I ride.
Fredrik Nordhal, Sweden (remote tuning)
Thanks for the settings on for my Aprilia Tuono 1100 v4 factory 2018.
Been riding a couple of hours today, the bike feels great. Stable while breaking and accelerating, soft yet firm but not too harsh.
I also took a picture of the zip-tie after I tried breaking hard like I did the other day.
Looking forward to trying it out on a track day!
Phillip Artweger, Austria
For those of us who are stuck at home now, what better thing to do than watch the hours and hours of incredibly informative Video content and articles Dave and his team created! 💪Thanks Mr.Moss!
Jim Sawtell, California USA
I first knew of Dave by stumbling onto one of his YouTube videos. Then fast forward a few years and low and behold he was the guy who gave me the green light to race with AFM last year at Button Willow.
It was my first race and he followed me on track to make sure I was safe. He is as cool and helpful in person as he is on his video's. Real deal guy right here.
Thank you Dave!
I have helped friends set up the suspension of their bikes with guidance from your videos, every time they report back that the bike rides so much better.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge! It has made riding more enjoyable and I look forward to improving the ride quality on all of my bikes using the techniques you've shared.
Ross Chester, Minneapolis, USA
I just started riding a sport bike last season. Its a 95 Yamaha yfz600. I've been binge watching all of your YouTube videos for a week now.
You have taught me so much information that I never thought I would need to know. I understand my suspension so much more now and have been able to give a little insight to some fellow riders as well.
Just wanted to reach out and say thank you. Cheers.
Dave Moss Tuning From you that’s a very kind response. All I did was read a lot of comments from other CB-1 owners and engage in the debate online, then put some of the findings into practice. I’m just ignorant of enough subjects to be aware I’m not too old to learn. What you do is share your IMMENSE and priceless knowledge freely online. And the way you do it is like watching a sainted guru!! No matter how fucked up a rider’s settings, I’ve never seen you ridicule them, or even show Gordon Ramsey style exasperation over their choices. So, it’s THIS I’m most grateful for. I know it’s my LACK of patience that very often hinders my ability to help others, no matter how good my knowledge of any specific subject. If you were on TV the producers would be looking for the most dangerous setups and the most stupid riders - just to test your resolve!! What kills bikers most often? Failure to plan ahead appropriately? Maybe. But when and where should that planning actually begin? In my humble opinion it should at least be somewhere close to the choices we make about who’s advice we firstly seek, then listen to, then take on board, then respect and revisit (having double checked if we want), then implement, carry with us and share with each other. That’s how humans evolved from the grunting stage. MC Rider and you share the calmness and patience which cause you both to stand out from the crown of fevered egos and false prophets, who’s eye is mainly on their profile and the profits they can make in terms of kudos and Dollars. Anyway, enough of this smoke blowing and philosophical bollox. Ride safe bro.
So since it has been the MT for awhile is this referring to the older FZ models? Also I haven’t rode one myself but everyone tells me that it handles like a piece of cake the cornering is so simple and smooth and they love it which seems odd since you are claiming a horrible suspension setup. Either way I like the info and the way you communicate with people. I enjoyed learning some new things
I had this done by an expert but without all the explanation you're giving. Just a smug grin from the technician because everything he did was new to me. I love this video because you explain what you're doing and why. You're doing a great job!
Johnboy commented: "Great videos on the tear down. Love how you did the go tight trick before you loosen. This was taught early in my aircraft maintenance career by my instructor many years ago."
I love how calm, kind, and informative he is. It's nice to see someone with his level of knowledge not talking down to people, and instead providing them with the information they need. This is the kind of man that wants everyone to be able to enjoy a fun, safe ride. Mad props to this guy, I wish I could ride with him some day.
I love this guy, he is like a bike Pope.. I wonder if he could adjust my shitty old bike
From: Emil Bendtsen
Here’s a little thank you for all your AMAZING videos, you have given me the confidence to work on a lot of different things on my bike. Just a few weeks before discovering your YouTube page I was afraid to do the simplest things like changing oil/filter or brake pads.
Now I am all over my bike working on tuning in the suspension, renovating calipers, taking things apart and making sure everything is as it should be!
Thank you so much for your videos! I recently purchased a 2017 FZ-10, and after watching numerous videos from you, and editor Dave lol, it gave me the confidence to begin working on my suspension settings myself. Hopefully the next time you visit NorCal, i can catch you. Thanks again!
I had this done by an expert but without all the explanation you're giving. Just a smug grin from the technician because everything he did was new to me. I love this video because you explain what you're doing and why. You're doing a great job!
Kerry M commented: "Thank You Dave Moss I playing with my MT 10 you helped me out!"
King James commented: "Dave's the G"
PCCW Grandiose commented: "very educational video, now I start understanding motorbikes is."
Gee Sri Fernando commented: "Mechanic with knowledge. Awesome sir"
Lordtunaboat commented: "This is the perfect model for a YouTube video, no into b.s., self promotion or advertising/sales. Just great content."
25 years ago, when I started riding, there was no internet. Now you can watch and learn from the best. I always thought Dave Moss was a fantastic musician, but now I learn he's also the best mechanic 🙂 just kidding.
Somehow I got a puncture in the bladder in the rear shock on my yz125, which released most of the nitrogen into the suspension fluid. Talk about pogo! I decided to just go ahead and rebuild the front and rear suspension and I've gotta say it taught me so much about how important proper suspension setup is. I just started from factory settings and worked from there, but honestly I think the single most important part was setting the race sag, I didn't realize how much that would help especially if you plan on adjusting the suspension, you've gotta have a proper base setting to work off
Hi Dave, We as motorcyclists should appreciate the expert knowledge that you share with us non-experts. Thank you for adding value. I just picked up an Fz-07 today and it has no static sag. I'm about 185-190lbs with gear. I will try the 15w oil swap and the 10mm spacer reduction, unless you suggest otherwise. Do you see much value in progressive springs in addition to the prior mods or just stick to the stock ones? Thanks in advance sir!
Hubert commented: "you sir are doing god's work <3"
Can you please do a 2018 Kawasaki z650? I'll have to do a remote tune with you when I have the spare cash. I love your videos mate. I'm a member on your website. can't get enough. you've taught me so much!
Fee Thank you for your contributions to the Motorsport community. You’re an inspiration and frankly give me hope I may still enjoy life with...ahem....advanced age.
This was a great video! Learnt a lot. Many thanks Dave 👌
My name is Aaron, I am based in Singapore, a small island country in Southeast Asia. Recently, I have been watching your suspension tuning videos on YouTube and I think you are a real blessing to bikers. Thank you for all the amazing advice and sharing of knowledge.
Henry Spencer, Yamaha MT10 2018 2500miles
Morning Dave. I’ve been really impressed with your advice regarding suspension. I love your content and passion to help.
Sylvan Despres commented: "awesome video. full of invaluable insights."
ya33a Your insight into the workings of the relationship between, bike, suspension tyre (tire) road and rider presented in a format and language that "numpties" like me can understand and use is really appreciated. Thank you again.
This guy is by far the best coach I have seen. Very knowledgeable and hands on. My absolute dream job if I can ever make money at it. Much more than the track, he’s found ways to save people’s lives on the street by making them more aware of their machines. Keep up the good work Mr Dave Moss.
swift chopper commented: "Sterling videos.”
ALEXANDER I commented: "Amazing skills and explanations"
You’re a champion and a gentleman Dave. I’ve just spent the last hour reading all the comments and you answer almost all questions, even when the question has been answered earlier to another comment. Take care and hope to meet you one day if you ever come to Melbourne Australia.
P Abinash commented: "Chiropractor of bikes. There I said it."
Old Smokie commented: "How the feck do shops get away with not doing basic setups on new bikes for riders ? We did basic sag settings free on £500.00 mountain bikes....Thanks Dave for solid advice."
Alexandre Manoel dos Santos commented: "So nice, Dave: best regards from Laranjeiras do Sul / PR / Brazil ... 🙂 ..."
Okay I simply wanted to say thank you! I was able to get my 08 cbr1000rr properly set up as I only weigh 150 and purchased from a 220lb man. Rides so, so much better, even seems more flickable in the curves and just overall more control:) just hope I don’t have it to soft.
Nangram Aboh commented: "Love love it,I mean never thought about this things.dave moss you're are a genius in motorcycle"
Davey Lad replied: "Oh he's good alright."
Graham McKenzie commented “Dave watching your videos from years gone by i have set my sports bike and friends with amazing results”
I just wanted to touch base again to let you know how the suspension adjustment went.
First I pulled the castle nut back to about mid thread count, & the rebound screw about mid range. It is remarkable how much better the bike handles & feels.
I am going to do a bit of finer tuning next week before I ride again after my work week ends. But we are definitely way closer to right than the outset.
Thanks again for your direction & expertise. Stay safe! Very grateful Fred!
Matt Tucker, Wellington, New Zealand
I think the best thing that I got out of the experience, which I did expect from Dave but wasn’t abundantly clear on 😊 (I hope others realized this as well) is that he was teaching us about our setting so that we can set them ourselves in future, suspension is not a set and forget thing they need adjustments for a number of reasons.
Chief Executive Officer
Edoardo Scapin Italy
This is Edoardo from Italy. Just saw one of your video on You Tube, it’s amazing how u explain issues around suspensions and how you fix it!
Hope you are staying healthy.
I finally got a chance to ride the Triumph 675R again and it felt much better after the changes.
It felt much easier to 'dive' into the corner.
At the end of a 140 mph straight, the brakes felt less potent - maybe that had to do with the front-end compressing more than I am used to?
That's a minor thing to get used to, overall I am happy with the new setup!
Maxwell Martin Michigan, USA
I haven’t been able to get out on my bike yet, but after watching all of your videos regarding sag and tire wear, I now know my front and rear compression is way too stiff, so I know I need to remove some. I had no static sag in the rear, which explained why I was getting launched off the seat with each bump, and I had to take 3 full turns off my rear preload spring to get the 12-15mm of static sag. I reset my bikes settings to standard, per the manual, but I have compression set to 1 turn out from standard on both the front and rear, so when I go out next I will check my tire wear, and I will assess how well the bike is compressing in corners *I have the jagged black/grey tire wear on the edge*.
Last time I went out, the bike felt good, but it feels like it’s not compressing much at all in turns and it’s making it really hard to steer, but I’m hoping with these adjustments it should be good. I’ll check my fork travel when I go out next, and I will check my sag numbers on front and rear, adjust them to the 30-40mm range if they aren’t already, the next time I’m all geared up. I also set the rebound dampening on my front and rear, according to your “pass or fail” method; The forks come up and settle with no bounces, and the rear does spring up too quickly, so it seems just right.
Your videos are amazing, and I’m learning a tremendous amount I never knew.
Phillip Artweger, Czech Republic
I was able to get a few km ridden today after changing the preload on the rear (approx. 100km) and the ride is a lot better! Especially on the bad road surfaces one doesn’t get bounced so much in the saddle anymore!
Rick Smartt, USA
After chasing my setup for days, I found Dave and reached out about his Remote Tuning. Dave was an incredible help and his responses were timely and spot on!
Dave's recommendations honed my GSX-S1000 suspension in to a superior ride. I now know my setup much better and when to adjust depended on given environment. Prior to Dave's assistance, my bike was difficult to embrace corners, although now, she rolls right in with minimal effort and tracks on a rail. The smoothness has increased my speed considerably.
If you're struggling with your setup, I recommend reaching out to Dave, his help was instrumental.
Mark Cowen, UK
Just a note to give you a shout out and many thanks.
I dialed in your rough guide settings for static sag and the bike is transformed! I now have a great handling bike to look forward to once the Carona crisis is over.
Many thanks once again and keep up the good work.
Mark & the Yellow Peril
Michael Huber, Fremont, California USA
Thanks again for the great set up advice. I used the settings you recommended and my Tuono handles fantastic.
Matt Tucker, Wellington NZ
From: Matt Tucker Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2020 2:37 PM To: Bruce Johnston Subject: RE: After the Class Update from Dave Moss
Thanks Bruce for the class.
I think the best thing that I got out of the experience, which I did expect from Dave but wasn’t abundantly clear on 😊 (I hope others realized this as well).
He was teaching us about our setting so that we can set them ourselves in future. Suspension is not a set and forget thing they need adjustments for a number of reasons.
Keep well and once again thanks to you and the Council.
Chief Executive Officer
Jayme Groeneveld, Wellington, New Zealand
Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2020 5:02 PM To: Bruce Johnston Subject: Re: After the Class Update from Dave Moss
Thank you very much for organizing a once in a lifetime experience with Dave Moss. One day with him has forever changed the way I look at both riding motorbikes and how I look at the roads that we ride them on. I have gained skills that I will be able to teach people and will in turn be making a lot more riders experiences safer and better!
Marco, United Kingdom
All adjustments made, went out for a hoon yesterday on some typical UK "B" roads and some major A roads and the bike felt very compliant and gave me a lot of confidence
Jiri Kralik, Czechoslovakia
From: Jiri (George) Kralik
Subject: Appreciation from CZ
Dear Dave, I have been watching your tuning videos for about a second winter (now even more with restrictions cased by corona - more time).
I just want to express I really appreciate the information you share and the way you share it. It helped me a lot to understand better what to do with my old bike Im trying to do some track days with (CBR600F PC35 99 complete rebuild last winter after I got it).
I'm usually attending one day track-days on a small circuits, not longer than a mile. It's really technical with low speeds, so if you slip, nobody get's hurt 🙂 I'm also going to do a track day in Brno, CZ (I'm sure you know that one) this summer - so, different setting for sure.
Anyway, just wanted to drop you a line to say how much I appreciate your work.
Edward Kuo, Canada
Thank you for your reply! As you probably heard a million times it amazing how much you can tell from tires!
Olivier Hect, Richmond, Virginia USA
I'm a huge fan of you and your videos and I've been using them to slowly try to dial in the suspension for my 2017 Aprilia Tuono.
I saw in the comments section of one of your tire-reading remote tuning session videos that you could offer initial street settings in exchange for a donation. I'm interested in getting your expertise that way both as a potential new baseline but also to check my own efforts so far.
I'm looking for suspension and tire pressure settings that will work for "spirited street riding", but we don't have a lot of canyon or mountain roads around here. Basically, I want the bike to be as intuitive as possible for me on the street without venturing into settings that only make sense for the track in terms of comfort and tire wear.
Please let me know if there's anything else I can provide and how to make a donation to you and your awesome efforts for the motorcycling community!
Jen Mein, Auckland New Zealand
Thank you so much Dave Moss for adjusting my suspension today at the HD Moto day at Hampton Downs. What a difference you made to my day.
I turned up with settings on my ZX6R as per the Manual which was totally wrong 😬.... thankfully Dave did his magic and as you can imagine this was me all day 😃🏍💕 super awesome day!!!
Dave is the MAN!! If he is at the track while you’re there- you will be missing out if you don’t let this man set your suspension! I’m telling you! He will have it on RAILS after 2 sessions.... thank you Dave! See you soon sir!
D I commented: “This is incredible. So informative”
Javier gonzalo Henriquez beltran commented: "Good!"
Am not sure if my comment will be read, but I really appreciate the valuable information you share Sir, the information you share is not generally accessible to many, if not accessible it's too expensive to get to places that teach you. Thank you for the videos and all the knowledge you impart.
Nico Linde Dave did the set up on my Zx14 last year, fantastic and a huge difference! I highly recommend a suspension setup
Janine Burns Dave has set up my last 2 bikes - made a massive difference to their handling - well worth the education 🙂
Joshua Munkeby commented: "This guy speaks magic if people listen."
I remember watching a youtube vid for onthethrottle TV, years ago, with Dave Moss talking about suspension adjustments. It was simple to follow, and it helped in my bike riding comfort confidence and experience. Thanks Dave.
Great vids , the only indignity I have suffered over the years is I never knew of your channel before yesterday so now I am binging it all. It is quite unhealthy but at least it will keep me off that chopper 😀 .
Wonderful videos! Where were you when i club raced back in the 90s and was completely clueless on suspension tuning! I love how you can tell so much just from the way the tire rubber is balling up. I learn so much watching your videos.
Crackli'nBraap I like how he does it like a Doctor, well I do believe he is one as he does.
Mike Louder commented: "I went and took a click out of preload on the back of my bike because of this video. I kinda think I had static sag but now I am sure I have some. Have to see how the bike rides tomorrow"
Great video. I recently purchased RST Tractech Evo 3 CE Boots and on my first ride, it was uncomfortable and unnatural to up-shift. I had to point my toe down to the ground first in order to clear the shift pedal, and then be able to up-shift. Adjusting the shift pedal is very simple to do: loosen the top and bottom nut of the shift pedal, and hand twist the shift pedal rod clockwise and anti-clockwise to raise or lower the shift pedal. Hop on the bike again and check with your motorcycle riding boot, or whatever footwear you use to ride. If satisfied, then tighten up the two nuts, and you're good to go.
yumpladukfoo commented: "Dave is a most humble man."
How is it even possible to dislike this video? This guy does his job and knows what to do. He gives back his knowledge in such a pleasant manner, so the customers get it and don't feel dumb. Cheers for this.
ShakespearesBruv commented: "I don’t even own a Yamaha and I watched this. Man’s a god."
David Baker commented: "amazing ! what a cool guy"
Falmesino He travels, teaches and bring back people to the right path Dave Moss, The Tuning Prophet
Miles Morgan, New Zealand.
Hey Dave, just wanted to thank you for giving all of us around Auckland area the opportunity to have our bikes setup before you leave. After having you setup my bike yesterday at HDs I went for a nice ride this morning for 3 hours and the bike is so planted and stable and feels so good and easier to ride, no sore wrists or fatigue at all. Also my chicken strips were 15mm wide on the rear before I left... now they are completely gone.
Rich Grutola, East Setauket, New York
Thank you for getting back to me so fast! I would definitely come out if you come to NY or Connecticut. I have also watched alot of other videos you have and love the advice you're giving. Thank you for being so informative and sharing the knowledge you have. I hope to see you this year! Stay safe and healthy!
Jeff Brandt, Fort Worth Texas, USA
I think your approach to the whole subject is fascinating, thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Stephen MacMurray Halifax, Nova Scotia
Long-time viewer of your videos and recently became a member to access Premium content. Have learned so much from your shared knowledge and experiences!
Evan, Upper Hutt, New Zealand.
Evan here, we met today leaving the Countdown supermarket in Upper Hutt - the guy with the broken arm.
Just wanted to thank you again for the tireless effort to increase knowledge and save lives in the motorcycling community. I’ve learned an awful lot from your YouTube content and I’m really miffed that’s I can’t be at your workshop while you’re so close (can’t drive or ride in my current state!).
You mentioned I should ping you about my bike because you had some essential settings/adjustments for it? 2018 MT-07 Tracer. I’m out of cast in three weeks and can’t wait to blow the cobwebs off.
Hope you found the council buildings alright!
Quentin Orr, Christchurch, New Zealand
Thank you so much for making the long trip from Cali to share you wealth of knowledge with us all. It was my third year of soaking up as much as I could listening to you work your magic. Looking forward to seeing you again next year, until then I'll have to just make do with a premium membership at https://davemosstuning.com/😉👍
Jonathan McDowell, Christchurch, New Zealand
Thanks for your help Dave, the ride home with the levers in a better position. I am going to get the rear break lever straightened out asap. After you checked out the suspension Johnie next door picked up a little bit of a leak in my clutch side front fork, so new seals required along with the oil change you recommended.
Excellent tent to be in. Even found myself in these photos. Thanks Dave, you will be setting up the Triumph in the next week.
Roderick Herber, New Zealand
Roderick HerberDave Moss I did a PB at BEARS this weekend. Great weather great event. I would have got over but not adjustable suspension.
Got tyre pressures sorted thanks for all your great info online.
Jovanna Krkoleva, Christchurch, New Zealand
Very helpful and informative class with Dave Moss, I wish I had booked my bike for adjusting. Some other time I guess. Thanks again
Mike Falgar, Christchurch, New Zealand
The ride home was great. Noticeable improvement to my Xdiavel's handling, particularly the front end. Feels like a more balanced bike. Thanks for sharing the knowledge and taking some of the mystery out of motorcycle setup.
Craig Hughes, Christchurch, New Zealand
Great job Dave. The ride home was awesome! Thanks for your insight. This is the third bike you have done for me over the years. Never disappointed. I will watch more You Tube and pay it forward
Samantha Cameron, Christchurch, New Zealand
Samantha CameronMy partner and I spent at least 3 hours in the tent today learning how to tune our bikes. Amazing, learned sooo much. Now to complete our homework then move on to sharing this knowledge with others
Remote tuning with Shahid Iqbal, Dubai UAE
Overall it was a good day and brought me back to rhythm after not been on a bike for more than a year and on Zx6r (year and half).
Sag: 22 (Preload: 13 - From Clockwise Towards Anti-Clockwise)
Sag: 38 (Preload: 16 fully compressed)
Front Pirelli SC1: 30 (first half) & 31(second Half of the day)
Rear Pirelli SC2: 26 (first Half) & 27 (Second Half of the day)
Temp: 20C (12pm kept on decreasing), asphalt was colder.
The First 3 Sessions were slow (slowly building pace). I was re-learning the bike, its behavior, track and trying to get back into rythym. I started pushing in Session-4 & 5 and in 6th was too tired got only 2 laps.
I wasn't able to follow up your advised trial adjustment for each session as the first half of the day was filled with anxeity and concentration level occupied to 110% (not in a good way) to re-learn things and energy level completely depleted after each session. I was sweating excessively even in the Pits and de-hydrated even though I was drinking lots of water with hydration tabs and was water-sick by 6th session.
Session 4 & 5 were amazing though, I pushed, they were my fastest on this track and I played with suspension for the 1st time.
I did play with Front-Compression and got idea of how it works.
Front-end: Under braking the bike was good and stable, wasn't diving hard/fast. Throughout the day I tried
Compression: 4 (Session 1-3)
Compression: 3 (Session 4)
Compression: 2 (Session -5) I liked this the most, the dive was better and slower than others and the bike felt more stable during braking.
11mm Travel was left with this , I think I still could brake 12-16% Harder.
(Compression 4,3,2 is meant going Harder towards Clockwise)
Rear-end: The bike felt good and stable Under acceleration, was holding its line. I never felt that the bike is going to run wide.
Fish Tailing was gone, only happened predictable during downshift but that even corrected promptly, way before tipping in (That Fish-Tail I always enjoy). Settings weren't touched as I was testing Front Compression in Session 4 & 5.
It seems to me that dirt of Rear Shock Increased and less travel was used by the Shock. Good amount of travel is left in the rear.
Handling-(Biggest Change): Bike turning-in and it keeps on turning. At my warm-up lap on the 2nd corner I was about to hit the inside kerb.
The bike handles effortlesly, easier to turn and where ever I point it goes. Actually once I tip-in the bike, it just goes towards apex itself, like very very easily and somehow I was hitting apex (closer to kerb) in every corner and even on Hairpins (which I never did before).
I had to re-calibrate myself for this new attribute of the bike and At times I had to lift the bike slighlty up so it doesn't go over the inside kerb or my knee doesnt hit it (GP track, Kerbs are bumpy) . Also Change of direction in the chicane is smooth and effortless.
Previously the bike required effort to hit the apex and change of direction were forced, I had to pull it by force.
Session 4 & 5 I was pushing the bike, was driving harder out of corners (comparing to my previous Trackdays) and was hard on gas between the turns (small straights). (These two, I never did before, was first time for me to be hard on gas).
The tyre wear seemed aggressive to me, my Tyres havn't been this shredded. Maybe one of the reason being harder on the gas (before I was never hard on with gas and never full gas). The asphalt surface is pretty abrasive though. Overall Bike behaves great. Next Trackday is on the 29th of this Month and will try additional settings that you metioned.
I have attached Tyre Pictures kindly review it and let me know if something needs to be changed. You prefer smooth wear but this seems notupto your liking. If writing email is Time Consuming we can also do a quick whatsapp call.
Thanks Dave for the online videos and the consultation we did, I discovered new side of my bike which was hidden previosuly. Really appreciate it.
Carlos Fuentes, Florida USA
The day started a bit cold and wet for Florida. By lunch time the track conditions were perfect. I was riding good and the bike felt awesome. Only on the last session of the day the bike started moving and I knew then that my rear was done.
Rohan Kuriakose, India
I got time to do the test only today, here are my results
I added 2 more turns of pre load to the rear shock in the clockwise direction. Squirted some water on the shock shaft to make some visual observations after the ride.
Went for a ride to get the oil hot. Before going for the ride, the rear shock setting was C6 R6. During this ride I felt comfortable and the bike felt agile.
Joshua Widawsky, California, USA
Hey! Just thought I’d let you know. I think I’ve found the problem with my Thruxton R.
I took off the forks. And the left one seems to be significantly weaker than the right. So I changed out the fluids and it feels a lot better, but still not perfect.
I'm going to see how it performs tomorrow. But hopefully with the new oil and alignment everything is solved.
Thank you for your help and your YouTube videos which are very informative and helpful!
Emanuel Voulgarelis, Athens, Greece.
Good morning Dave,
I removed two turns of preload as advised. There's was evident improvement in comfort and handling. The bike finally "sat" well and felt well planted in turns.
Now I removed that extra turn.
Its great, now it's homogeneous, gliding over bumps. Just great!It's incredible how close can one be to the right setup and still wander in the dark forever!
Thank you very much, if you ever come to Greece, send pm!
Pete Langford, Nelson, New Zealand
Thanks for your time today Dave.
I learnt so much about how my suspension SHOULD work, after your adjustments on the ZRX it felt heaps better on the ride home, your forthright and easy to understand explanation of the different factors involved have made a huge difference and have opened up a whole new world of how to get the most fun out of my ride, cheers 👍👍
Mike Imren, Great Britain.
I have been a avid follower and subscriber to your YouTube channel for some time now and have just set up a account on your website.
I think your videos are not only informative and educational but I can see that your advice is definitely the one to trust. Saying this I have just purchased one of your videos on the Honda CBR1000RR 2006 fork service and have just completed this using a 10w oil.
Allan Lohse, Australia
I have a whole different understanding of suspension and tyres after your teaching at Mac Park earlier this year Dave, really looking forward to Eastern Creek at the end of the month now that I have a better understanding. Thanks mate
Michael Stubjaer, Denmark
First of all I would like to express my gratitude towards all of your guidance. Your videos have brought me reassurance and knowledge towards riding as well as understanding the fundamentals of a motorcycles mechanics in general.
Roger Konrad, Switzerland
Thanks a lot for all your help!
By the way, have to tell you this story!
At work I heard two of my colleagues talking about bikes, then one mentioned his GSXR750 and that he was at the race track Hockenheim on a Saturday last summer.
First I congratulated him for the bike, then I asked him about the tire pressure he rode. He didn't know for sure. Then I asked him if he had taken pics of that event. At one of them the front and rear could be seen very clearly. I told him that he ran a dangerous risk, rubber balls all over the front thread. I told him he used way to less pressure at those 300+km/h peaks he drove.
I told him he has liquid rubber in front at times, he was very close at loss of friction. the eyes got bigger.
So the thanks goes to YOU, because you shared the Information.
I do not understand some behavior:- if i had seen an issue, I would have drilled into it until oil or blood came out.
but moving above 300 at "knee down lean" everything realistically has got to be "good" at least!
Cory Elmer, Columbia, South America
Today I went for a 2 hour ride; a lot of curvy/windy roads at slow speeds, some bends at high speeds 120kph+, some high speed straight away 160kph+, was a good all around ride and the suspension setup was much better; I didn't feel like I was trying to hold onto a bucking horse this go around.
I have a fair amount of static sag; and my front end zip ties look to be in a good spot (no wheelies/see photo below).
FYI: The city of Medellin, Colombia is building a race track; suppose to finish construction next year. Would love to see you tuning up bikes for an open-to-public track day in the future.
Martin Decker, Perth Australia
Just been for a test ride with preload between 8-15mm and there's a huge improvement. Response is awesome (sharp) and it feels like it hugs all the bumps and dips in the road with minimal shock to the body.
Cheers Dave been watching all your Youtube Videos trying to understand suspension its been a great inside. Thanks Mate!
Hilton Grant, New Zealand
Thanks heaps Dave!
After a 400km ride today, my son Ollie has already felt the difference with the suspension on the VFR750 since you adjusted it.
I’ve now learned enough to sort the forks out and we have been experimenting with tire pressures.
Thanks again for your time.
Dane Domangue, New Orleans, USA
Hey Mr Dave,
I'm sure you don't remember me but you set the suspension on my track bike years ago. I had been trying and trying to get my knee down on my bike but couldn't. I was very new to this track thing - I had been to over 5-6 track days and it was a big deal to me to drag a knee like every new rider wants to do!
Anyway, I want to thank you for that day.
I went out for 6-7 sessions, after every session I went straight to you and you did your magic. By the 3rd session I was able to get a knee down - it scared the shit out of me when it happens for the first time!
By the end of the day I had worn half of my knee puck out 🙂
The next month I entered into a race school to have my first actual race. Believe it or not I took first place my first race and 2nd my next races at Barber.
If you are ever in the New Orleans area please let me know. I would love for you to set my Suspension on my newest baby!
Have a good one and thanks again!!
Storm Murchardh, Mandurah, Western Australia
My socket set came today in the post. I can't wait to get into it! Order a C spanner on eBay too. The tyre pressures you gave me were spot on! They were in the 20's! She felt more solid, stable and balanced! Cheers.
Pat Lithgow, Nelson, New Zealand
Thanks for the adjustments to the suspension on my FZ1. A 150km run felt noticeably more stable on bends and a smoother, relaxing ride.
I have repositioned the levers & rotated the handlebars to keep pressure off my thumb. Seems to be working.
Gardhafi Hamid, Malaysia
Hope you're re doing well Dave.
Anyways, it's been 2 years of not riding in the circuit. I was nervous at the beginning but laps after laps I got the hang of it.
Took a short break in the paddock and thought to myself, It shall always be the machine listening to every single needs/wants of the rider not the other way around.
So with suspension looked into and set up as proper as possible.... Not only does is the RSV4 compliant, but it gave great pleasure of riding.
Well, it has been a long years of contacting you Dave via email(s) and given the opportunity to learn. I would really love to convey my biggest appreciation to you for imparting the knowledge needed to understand how suspension works, how can proper settings makes ones ride exciting, controllable and at the end of the day brings great satisfaction.
Knowledge of reading tires etc is also of GREAT help. Even to these days, friends have been asking me why do I hop from the different makes of tire brands and with the knowledge I have I was able to explain to them which kept them thinking for abit with a smile.
Dave Moss, thank you so much. Till date seeing you on YouTube etc but at heart youre a guru and a friend. Thank You.
YouTube testimonials January 2020
You Tube comments Jan 2020
I like the wheel off approach. Loving your videos I even subscribed to your website and I’m learning more about bikes this month than I have in two years on my own.
At age 56, 185lb, 6 foot, a friend and I rented 2 bikes in Phuket for 2 days. Ninja 650 and cb 650. Both are to small and under powered. Went back to America and bought a Ducati Monster 900. It had the power but was to small. I learned that finding a bike that fits your body is most important. Finally after 7 months of sitting on everything on the market and much research I bought a 2019 yamaha tracer 900 GT, then upgraded the seat from Seat Concepts to add more height to just over 35 inches. And with it in A mode it has just enough power for my first bike.
Dave runs through this stuff so quickly and proficiently, it's a lot of information to take in under a very short period of time. He doesn't "hem" or "haw" with his statements. This means you need to pay attention and focus closely on what he says. It's impressive and intimidating, but watching these videos over and over helps you pick up a LOT on what's going on through various scenarios. Huge endorsement for Dave and getting your bike set up. If you have ANY doubts, abandon them. If you have the opportunity to have Dave work on your bike at the track, do NOT pass it up. If you can't because of location, then you should look into getting your suspension professionally adjusted regardless. Thanks for the video, Dave!
Christopher Harper commented:
Wow! Brilliant! Like a bike chiropractor but much more scientific.
Thanks Dave. This is more technical getting it back together than I would have guessed. However, I'm not sure I understand the need to remove the calipers.... Won't the wheel just drop away from them? Why the need to remove? Although getting them remounted correctly with your technique I am going to remember when I next remove them to clean them. Good stuff.
Dave I just wanted to give you a huge "Thank you".
I have finally gotten the front-end feel I have been searching for ever since purchasing the triumph 765 RS. Even after raising the forks 5 mm, decreasing fork Compression and removing all the preload on the forks, setting the race SAG to 33% of available travel, I could still not get the front end feel I was searching for in the bike. I was perplexed.
Did Triumph get this bike so far off the mark?
After a conversation with you you suggested setting free sag two between 5 and 8 mm, stiffer rear spring, and changing the fork oil to 5 weight from 10 weight with 100 mm air gap. I first changed free sag to 8mm with a stiffer rear spring. I felt More Improvement could be made with a bit more rear ride height and set the free sag to 5mm And change the fork oil to 5 weight oil with a hundred millimeter air gap. There we go!!!
Finally! This is what I was searching for, much better steering. And most importantly bite from the front end. Thank you again Dave for your insight into getting this thing to finally feel comfortable on Corner entry. Now to find tune compression and rebound settings.
Mike Reed, Florida USA
Results of my track time w your help/settings on my Kawasaki Concours! I rode the bike 30 miles to the track and they were warm so I set the psi to 34 front and rear for the day.
Fork zip tie pix after 4th session with very hard braking. Line on shock is at 27mm which is 17mm from bottom out and 10 mm safety margin. Tie went right to the 10mm margin! I used it all!
Thanks for your great help.
Ty Lynch, ASBK professional racer, South Australia
This is just a detailed briefing on my experience with Dave Moss on over the 17th-19th Of February at Mac Park while assisting at the Levi Day (On Track Rider Coaching Schools)
Not only was the information laid across from Dave extremely valuable and full of a lot of years worth of knowledge, but there were also a lot of things that I had never even thought about in my years of racing that could contribute to say Fatigue on the bike, or even excessive tire wear or Arm Pump Ect.
Dave and I worked closely over the 2 days as best as we could, as he has a lot of people at him for help cause they know what his knowledge is worth after experiencing it first hand, Now one of the major things that Dave put into play was (Is your bike fitted too you?) I was sort of startled by the question as I'm thinking to myself of course it is. When in reality we just threw the bars on the bike and the rear set's and went hey that feels alright let's go out!
Dave Was soon to explain how important getting your bike fitted to you as perfectly as you can is, and that's something that we worked on, Moving handlebars, in and out up and down, as well as making sure my hands were positioned correctly and then realizing that my hand was getting an extreme cramp every time that I went out discovering that the issue all along had been caused by my Brake Protector.
He explained all the small things that contribute to one huge end result, as far as moving your brake lever in or out to suit your hand size to get better brake feel through my fingers, and not be clawing at the brake like a bird!
After getting the bike set up incredibly well and I mean, the difference it made riding the bike with it fitted properly to myself was like night and day, I really don't have the words to describe it as it made such a major difference, I went from getting 12 Laps in and getting cramps to getting 30Laps in and almost running myself out of fuel!
We then went on to try and work on suspension setup, now for me coming from motocross I've always struggled to understand the basics going from Motocross and Dirt Track to Road Racing. The basics are similar but the faster you go on the Road Bike the harder it becomes to take the information from both and try and figure out what direction to go in.
Dave explained it should be 2 Completely different things and I shouldn't be going back to the drawing board with other disciplines in mind, I should Focus on everything that I had learned from Road Racing and not try adding things in that I had learned from MX.
Dave's knowledge and expertise really shows when working on Suspension. We changed PreLoad, spoke a lot about Spring Rates and played with the clickers quite a bit, and all working towards a better end goal, I was doing the same lap times on a completely F**** Tire as I was doing on a near brand new Tire, Now mac park is incredibly grippy but you're still going to lose lap time when the tire goes off no matter what, and Dave constantly worked towards giving the bike better grip and a better feeling with the feedback I was providing him.
Dave made my job as a rider incredibly easy, telling me a few things that I could take charge of at home and even in the pits to take a little extra stress off of my Mechanics as well as making sure that I'm 110% confident and satisfied with everything going on around me.
I would recommend Dave to anyone at any skill level, Whether you're just learning to ride a motorcycle or you're a seasoned GP Star, Knowledge like this is incredibly hard to find, and it's even harder to find someone that is willing to help people with the experience they've learned over the years and they are equally as willing to teach as long as you're willing to learn.
Thank you heaps for your time Dave the information will not go astray. I'm sure there are things I've missed to add into this email but trust me for anyone reading this and thinking I've lost my marbles there is no way there was that much information laid down.
Trust me - you need a pen and paper every time Dave is speaking to you.
Thank you Dave. I learnt more than I thought possible from you and Levi's coach days. See you next year!
Michael Niaros, Greece
Hi Dave! I bought a subscription to your channel and it is awesome!!! I really like the work you do!!
Steve Baker, Western Australia
It was awesome. See you in December for more tweaks ps:- bring stickers!
Edward Tan, Perth, Western Australia
Thank you Dave for tuning the bike up. Feels great after and better handling. 😉👍
Adrian Frost, Perth, Australia
Hi Dave, you transformed my R1. Thanks a million mate and see you in December for my other bike 🤪😀
Ant Metcalf, Merredin, Western Australia
Thanks Dave for setting up my R6 unfortunately I had to leave at lunch due to lack of tyre but had a great day and was great to meet you
Michael Woosnam, Western Australia
Thanks Dave for tuning my old 04 CBR1000. As I’m new to track riding I did feel more confident as the day went on. 👍
Enjoy the hills.
Stuart Hassard, Western Australia
Many thanks Dave for setting up my 1199S Tricolore. Had a great day and so well organized by all at Track Action 👍👍🏍
Craig Anderson, Western Australia
Cheers for setting up my blade.. + don’t forget to wind everyone up here in Perth by talking about spinning the front tire... + keep the videos coming even if we forget half the stuff..🙄Geordie Craig!
Matt Smith, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Hi there Dave,
I’ve attached two photos (front tyre & rear tyre). I’ve been working a lot on my own suspension on my 2016 r1, mainly learning through your technical advice through videos and articles which I find absolute gold. I’m using completely stock suspension on the bike with a set up I’ve made to suit my riding style, weight, etc.
Much appreciated, Matt
Mark Sinclair, Darwin Australia
Thank you for sharing your vast knowledge and experience. Watching and listening to has taught me so much. I has given me the confidence to change my front fork oil and work out that my shock spring rate had to be increased, which I have now changed.
Russ Danner, Virginia USA
Thanks for all the amazing material. The subscription is worth gold! I love truly love how reading tires and learning about physics and how the bike is built and set up demystifies so much. Thanks!
Jitesh Das, India
Hello Dave !
I'm from India and have been watching your videos on YouTube. I want to thank you for providing such informative videos which are extremely helpful for people like me who are interested in their bikes and want to understand it well.
Ian Fitton, Melbourne Australia
Brilliant. Love watching your YouTube and uploads!
Tom Erik Brauer
Keep it up. Will contact you when I need to adjust my 2019 KTM 690 SMC R
Dhayang Casallo Toon, Malaysia
Thank you so much!! Dave and Dave 😄 I have personally gained so much insight into my bike especially suspension and tyres. My bike responds like a dream time and time again through dynamic adjustments. Resulting in a greatly improved riding experience. I look forward to every upcoming ride with a childlike glee in my heart. 😁😁😁
Aaron Abell, Adelaide, Australia
Get amongst it everyone, $60 or $100 is the best money you’ll spend setting your bike just for you! Dave’s experience, knowledge and advice is amazing!
John Valoudis, Adelaide, Australia
Firstly - I thought I was getting pretty good tyre wear........
........ then Dave tuned my suspension and wear improved.
Not only that bike felt way more stable and track less bumpy. Tipping into corners felt great which inspired me to go harder increasing corner speed and improve braking distances.
You don't realize how much better your bike feels under you until it's adjusted to "fit" you and your riding style.
After coming back from each session I would tell Dave how it felt and he adjusted accordingly until I stopped feeling improvement.
Literally hands down the best bang for buck performance upgrade you can do to your bike👍
Doug Cornett, USA
The site content and videos are more than helpful - just plain entertaining. I also enjoy your choice of background music - "Healing Sixes". Wade Parish is the drummer and ex-WERA racer and friend.
PS - thanks for the "Remote Tuning" tire wear responses on text messages
Tore Strand, Norway
Thank you very much for a very informative website. I am reading and learning new things everyday thanks to you.
Neal Lyons, Great Britain
Been watching your videos find them superb I was wondering if you ever come to the UK for sessions?
Harry Brown, Great Britain
After contacting your good self and a few others in 2018 about training courses in the UK, I went along and did a 4 day course with Reactive suspension if February 2019.The Course went well and reinforced and increased my already wide knowledge base "its always reassuring that what has been learned through independent learning is correct from someone who has greater experience and knowledge."
During this time I had been watching a YouTube vlogger Graham Calvert on his channel titled Adventure's with Woody. The channel is based on a 250 Sinnis Apache and Graham traveling around the wolds of East riding and North Yorkshire on roads less traveled. His other stead is the GSX750F affectionately called Tetley the teapot : S
Watching Graham on Tetely was a frightening experience and analyzing the footage it became very clear very quickly that his suspension was in desperate need of servicing and setting up as the bike was literary unrideable.
I emailed Graham and at first I was dismissed as a keyboard warrior just angling for something, although I did not know this at the time and I heard no response. I again emailed Graham after watching him riding this great bike that was in desperate need of attention and dangerous to my mind. I outlined what I suspected was wrong, how it could easily be corrected and that I would do this free of charge, because I can.
So In February 2019 I went and did the course and the day after traveled across from Huby to Beverley to start work on the GSX750F. Graham obviously being a vlogger documented the servicing and through watching and asking a myriad of questions learned a great deal.
The conditions for the servicing were not the best but you do get a mention from Graham, as I had pointed him towards your videos as reference.
I don't think the shock had ever been touch since new, and the forks may have been serviced once because the bushings were like new but the goop that came out of the forks looked more like chicken soup. A few weeks later due to time constraints and the fact that the bearings in the lower lever link were shot, I returned to set the bike up and do a few other maintenance jobs. The bike was instantly 100 times better and I can say that Graham is a very happy man.
Later in May 2019 Graham and a friend did a trip to Scotland to do the NC500. On the way back he states that the weather was abysmal, rain so hard you could barely see but due to the sudden illness of the friends wife they battled on homeward and on a couple of occasions Graham said he felt the bike slip and that if I had not of done the work on the suspension and pointed out the damage to his tyres and bearings he would of not made it home. The results speak for themselves.
And that's where that ends. Needless to say when I get the opportunity, I speak to the biking community about their bikes and suspensions but it is like trying to crack a coconut with a feather!
YouTube comments December 2019
You Tube comments
I did a dump and run and followed the last video to a T and now my R6 rides over bumps so much nicer and nowhere near as harsh. Thanks Dave!
Wayne Boyd commented:
Excellent video, thanks for bringing all the incredible content and knowledge to YouTube.
Thank you for teaching people and putting information out there to educate. And your will to pass on knowledge, why something acts the way it does. With kind regards....
Hi Dave, firstly I’d like to say thanks for the videos you post onto YouTube I’ve watched most of them in my quest for knowledge when it comes to suspension tuning, I still have no idea what I’m doing tho! Hope you’ve had a good Christmas and have a great new year.
What an awesome level of information to bring to youtube, thankyou for sharing this, I just learned more about suspension in 25 minutes than I think I have in 25 years, obviously not looking into it as much as I should....I read the book with my bikes and setup as directed but understanding isn't provided in the books, just instructional how to's
Thank you so much for this. Using your video I was able to write a small cheat sheet to use at the track. Hopefully when the weather warms up here in Scotland I'll be able to put this into use. Thank you.
McQueen Francis commented:
Straight forward, and, superb simplicity in explanation in your education again... spoken truly. Thank you Mr, D Moss... blessing to you sir.
Frank Boase commented:
Yeah, the Sherlock Holmes of biking, I'm amazed that so much can be read from tyre wear.
Brando Loudly commented:
Do all my own work on my r6. Your channel has taught me so much about suspension. You guys are gems keep it up.
ῼ ῼ commented:
Damn u doing a damn Good Job!
dave g commented:
Love how he know what he’s talking about, wish I met him when I was young and thought I could ride
Even after 4 decades racing , now doing track days (now I'm an old man lol) I'm still learning a lot VIA the science you're providing trough out your channel. i wish you a great 2020 year MR MOSS. your videos comfort me into my beliefs that the suspension and tires are the most crucial parts for safe and fast lap times.
Just listening to how he talks I begin to understand suspension. That's what it is to really know what the hell you're doing. Top level tuner fight there."
Great content and great explanation! I wonder how and why this can be done without taking the drivers weight into consideration, or am I getting this wrong? Are you ever coming to Germany? Would love to see you adjusting my 08 gsxr 600
Ian Lawrie commented:
Phenomenal sir! I thought "conjurer" when the high temp grease vanished, then the "stickage" went away, wonderful.
So happy to have found your channel. Hate to admit it but I've put 50K miles on my FZ8 without realizing it's almost fully adjustable suspension. Playing with it after watching your videos it feels like a new bike. Thanks man!
Excellent video Dave. Thanks for all your help and education over the years, truly priceless!
Very informative video's Dave. Great stuff.
Derin Hakan Karakurt, Turkey
I'm a DMT member. First of all, I love being a member of this community because I've learned lots of useful information to improve my riding and save my life. Thanks very much for all this content.
Jasper Enthoven, Total Access member
Thank you for all the great content. It has been very helpfull to read and watch the articles and videos on your website. The articles on Sag helped me discover that my Triumph Speed Triple had a totally wrong rear spring on its Ohlins TTX shock.(Yamaha R6 spring, to soft and to short) Changing it to the correct spring (for the bike and my weight) totally changed the bike.
Love to see the podcasts on Spotify one day!
Bryan Sammons, Texas, USA
Greetings from Texas!
1st off, I have seen several of your videos, and I must say, you are extremely knowledgeable in your profession. You are an inspiration to the entire motorcycle world. Thank you for what you do!
Cliff Ramsdell, Carlsbad California
Good advice about proper bike set up, ergos and suspension, isn't just for the novices. I've been working with Dave for years and still picked up some new things to work on!
Richard M. Voshing
My bike feels really good man
like.. I have no negative feedback
stable in the corners, turn in is nice, feels planted coming out of the corner
Only ended up doing more run before packing up - the wind started to get crazy and my brake lines just weren't up to the task haha
Thank you for all of your help Dave!
Allan Childers, San Diego USA.
The DMT class was worth every penny! Really appreciate you coming down. Do you ever come down to Chuckwalla? It would be great to do a track day and have you there.
Hi Dave. Thank you for sharing information! It helps me to understand, how the suspension works and what changes does it takes to go faster. I ride 60% of time at gymkhana, 20% training at gokart track(no big tracks near 1500km) and 20% at street.
F that guy moss knows his business like no others.......I'd so like to be able to ''rent'' his suspension services for a whole race week end...I feel I would learn a whole galaxy worth of suspension science.
Pete Curran commented:
"Great stuff Dave - the whole suspension thing is a fascinating subject! 👍🏻🛠"
Tim Peterson Paying it Forward!
This fall I had the opportunity to ride a friend of mine's 2016 KTM Super Duke 1290 R. He went on vacation and left it in my garage for safe keeping.
The first time I took it out was the way he had set the bike up using some guidelines found on a web forum. Needless to say it was dangerous! It wouldn't hold a line and was bucking uncontrollably in the rear throughout corners.
I took it back home and out came the wrenches. I pretty much went down Dave's checklist from top to bottom: tire pressure, sag, compression, rebound, lever and bar position, etc. Needless to say it transformed the bike. It was now effortless going into corners and super confidence inspiring. I was pleased and very interested to see what the bike's owner thought.
When he returned from vacation I told him to ride it as it was and give me some feedback. I got a phone call the next day from him while he was mid ride. His words were, "What did you do? I can't believe this is the same bike. It rides so much better."
I told him the process I went through and that we can tweak it even more as we examine tire wear. I think he now understands how much the little things can make a huge difference.
Thanks Dave for setting up my bike at the track and for passing on some of the knowledge so that I can help others get the most from their bikes.
Nick Dolan, UK Paying it Forward!
Pay it forward
Nicholas Robert Dolan <email@example.com>
Yesterday, 11:42 PMDave Moss
I used the little founded new knowledge to help setup an old R1 (2003 model) in Dubai. He kept insisting the suspension should be as hard as possible!
Not only were his forks set totally wrong and unevenly, but they were also pretty shot with sticking and obvious seal damage. I adjusted them as best as possible. The rear was actually pretty much ok and sag etc were also ok at the rear.
After adjustments the bike was firstly way, way safer and stopped properly. Once he rode it down the road he admitted the bike was much better handling.
Thanks to you I could do this.
I belong to a IAM club for Chelmsford, is there anything we could do to pass this sort of knowledge on to a bunch of riders ? Video ? Leaflets ?
Gary Davis, UK Paying it Forward!
Here's a busy Sunday I had back in June.
6pm Sunday I get a call on my cell, says its from Sweden. Broken English, "I'm calling about there tyres you have for sale."
"Yes, but I'm not posting them to Sweden!"
"No, I'm in Dover and going to the Isle of man TT and need a tyre, I'll collect it."
So 8pm a Swedish guy on a 2003 R1 turns up at my house with his father. He's just ridden from Stockholm to Germany then Cambridge today and his rear tyre is seriously showing canvas. He thinks he can get an emergency 24hr tyre guy to fit it, but he's got no chance and its a public holiday tomorrow. I call a few places and he could get a back street taxi shop to do it first thing Monday morning.
"When is your ferry to the Isle of Man?"
He's says " Tomorrow midday"
"You'll never make it to Liverpool in time"
So here we are now, 10pm Sunday night. I tell him I've changed a few motocross tyres I'm willing to give it a go...... Paddock stand out, tyre levers in hand, much swearing and fighting, no damage and a 190 tyre changed and he's sent on his way with a free squirt of chain lube.
The next day I receive a picture of the bikes strapped down, smiling faces and they're on the ferry to the greatest motorcycle race on earth!
John Carlson Paying it Forward!
Happy Holidays Merry Christmas.
I have been recommending your set up program verbally for about 4 months now. And some that I've told about have already been track side with you. Also I have been teaching people basic riding / safety/ panic breaking etc for many years and will continue to do so.
Also I will continue to send people your way as you truly have the knowledge and experience to do proper set up for street and track.
Peace to you and yours this Christmas season.
Mike Lock UK Paying it Forward!
Hi Dave and crew,
I've been following and watching your advice for what must be 10 years by now, have applied your methods to various bikes in my ownership over the years, including on track and off track. I ride all year round and do a few track days in Europe and the UK every year as time allows.
I've attempted to apply your methods towards different needs too, not just a track set-up on the latest rice burner, but a road set-up on an older Kawasaki battleship, all which have new upgraded, suited suspension. I'm lucky enough to own a few bikes collected over the years but suspension is always my number 1 focus with a new bike as per your own beliefs/preachings, I have experienced the dramatic effects this produces especially when getting quicker, the evolution of adjustments.
I regularly bore my non-bike colleagues with all things bike related, which naturally is wasted on them, but I do help out others where I can. My latest victim will be a friend of mine travelling with me to Spain for yet another series of track days, he will be riding my K3 1000 GSXR that lives out there at the track. So for him, I will be re-setting up the bike from my own settings towards what should work for him. He is a relative novice on track so things will progress as we go, as will his requirements no doubt.
My ride on the track is currently a new gsxr1000r to enjoy alongside him, guiding him and helping him out where I can to improve his days as we go.
I'm now 53 and still waiting to grow up, but I never stop learning or trying!
Your experience and patience is much appreciated Dave across all walks of life. A personal thanks to you, you are indeed a priceless addition to the biking community.
I don't have a picture, so it's all good if I can't enter the contest. I'm more concerned with letting you know that I find your content very helpful, and appreciate using your knowledge as a resource. Contest or no, I'm going to get one of your T-shirts soon.
I'll talk motorcycle suspension and tires with anyone who will listen. In those conversations, your name always comes up.
I am going to do some track days in the spring, and wanted to replace my brake pads with something a little more track appropriate. I watched your video "Setting Motorcycle Brake Calipers" and was glad I did. The method of leaving the caliper bolts a little loose, and snugging them down while holding the brake worked like a champ!! I would not have thought to do that otherwise.
You helped me with a fork set-up issue a couple months ago, and that nudge in the right direction helped a lot. I've got a Penske triple shock on the rear now, and looking forward to dialing that in.
I've read some books on suspension, but your videos provide the visual information that books don't. All that to say, I'm excited rather than dreading working on the set-up on my bike.
Take care & thanks,
Giovanni De Francesco, Sicily, Italy Paying it Forward!
I've been wanting for so long to email you to say thank you so much. I decided to become a suspension tuner because of your teachings. I've tuned so many bikes this year with 100% rate of success, bringing your technique to the amateur road and track bikers which are often abandoned to themselves.
This year has been very intense thanks also to telemetry reading and servicing courses I took, and the great experience I gained applying your teachings to so many bikes of all kinds. As the new year approaches I could never be more satisfied of the goals I achieved, and I'm starting my own tuning business called Sartoria Moto suspension tuning (motorcycle tailor, in Italian)
I wish you all the best in life and Merry Christmas to you, very special editor Dave Williams and all your loved ones
Giovanni De Francesco
Danny, Portland, Oregon Paying it Forward!
I'm coming up on 60 years old but have been racing motorcycles only a few years. (since 2012) I came from bicycle racing world where I lived most of my life.
PIR (Portland) is my home track and I've been around it both directions on a bicycle thousands of times since 1977.
This all started because I had been without a motorcycle for decades and when I stopped road & track cycling I found myself a bit of extra time and money so I looked around and found a beautiful Triumph 955i and quickly realized I needed to get it on the track. I signed up for a track day and hooked immediately. I got an SV650 and have been racing it at every opportunity since.
I don't consider myself an "expert" even though that's what it says on my license. I'm always trying to improve. At first the speed came in large chunks but as I progressed, the improvements got smaller. I thought my cycling skills would transfer to motorcycle skills easily but I was wrong. I soon learned while this skills are not transferable, they are adaptable. I have a friend who raced flat track in his earlier days so I recruited him into road racing with me so I could have a pit mate.
My first podium came on a wet race day. I didn't know it at the time but I had a slipping clutch that may have actually helped. Since then, I have come to realize that if it's raining, I'm winning. I'm not sure why but if it's wet, I'm probably winning or at least on the podium. I attribute this to a lifetime of racing bicycles in the Pacific Northwest on 1" wide tires and sliding around in the mud during cyclocross races which I have been competing in since 1979.
So when younger racers began seeking my advise on how to race in the rain, I was thrilled to able to be the one giving tips and advise.
When I met you a couple years ago, you really made me think about the suspension system, how it works and how to adjust it. One of the things I love about racing motorcycles is all the new stuff there is to learn. You have been a big part of that.
I used to think if the suspension was set up by an "expert" I shouldn't change anything. You taught me not to be afraid of trying different adjustments like changing oil viscosity, preload and geometry depending on the changing conditions.
When I learned some of my competitors did not do anything with their suspension or even know what they had for suspension, I related my experience to them.
To summarize, I'm paying forward by recruiting new racers, giving newer riders advice and encouraging others to learn how to adjust their suspension/geometry.
Thank you for all your help and advice. I'm trying to soak it all in and keep learning.
Danny OMRRA #86
Rodney Hall, Brisbane Australia Paying it Forward!
Thanks for your info during the year. It has been very helpful getting the most from my RSV4 RF and from the tires more importantly, which if you keep getting it wrong will eventually cost you more than the bike.
Fortunately I am in the southern hemisphere of the world Brisbane Australia and at the moment are experiencing track temps of 60 c so the tire info has been good for my V02 Bridgestones.
It is a sole track bike and hadn't fired a shot for 12 months but I have got back on track now and managed 3 track days in the last 2 months with a few more over the Xmas break. I haven't actually helped anybody as yet at the track but have passed your info onto them.
Have a good Xmas and may you get some nice new toys to play with in the future.
Martin Peters, Australia Paying it Forward!
Firstly, I would like to thank you for sharing your wealth of suspension and tyre wear knowledge.
It has helped me gain the confidence to set up my own track bike, and keep adjusting in between sessions to find the right set up for any given day and riding conditions. I have found that even my own mood for the day effects my set up!! 😊
Paying it forward:
I was at a track day recently and one of the riders in my garage was saying how scary some of the corners were, especially one known as MG Corner at Phillip Island Raceway Australia. It is a fast blind left hander over the crest of a hill. I asked him what he found to be the most scary part of that corner. He said that the front seemed to pogo around and he couldn’t hold his line, and the back was trying to pass the front under brakes. (It is a hard braking area on a steep downhill into a right hairpin) I asked him if I could have a look at his bike and make some adjustments. He said yes.
I found that his front was way too soft. It was bouncing over the top at least 3-4 times and had virtually no compression. I than checked the rear and found a similar situation. It had virtually no compression, and was so mismatched from the front it wasn’t funny. I didn’t have the tools to check and adjust his static and rider sag, so I just went with some clicker adjustments and my ‘average version’ of the seat bounce to try and balance the front to the rear!
He went out for another session and I told him to just take it easy and settle in before trying to push anything, you know, get used to the new set up as it should be way different!
When he came back into the pits, he quickly took his helmet off and was looking around like he was desperately trying to find me. I was a bit apprehensive at first! 😊 He ran over and hugged me! Lifted me off the ground and said “thank you, thank you, thank you……it was amazing, a totally different bike”.
His confidence went up, his times went down, and he said if he felt the best he ever has on the bike.
I told him to take it to a shop and get the shocks serviced, and get the static and rider sag set and try again! I also told him that now he is getting more confidence, the side effect is speed, and that the current suspension settings will become obsolete quite quickly and he will need to make more adjustments.
I also told him to google Dave Moss and learn more for himself.
He was a slow group rider who now had the confidence to push a little harder but now do it safely, and possibly go up a group.
It was a cathartic experience.
It is a dangerous sport that we do, and any help, advice or knowledge that can make someone a safer rider should always be shared. The more educated we become as riders the less likely we are to take bad advice, and the more likely we are to have safe operating machinery under our bums! We are a community that should be compelled to look after our brothers and sisters.
No exaggeration, bike riding skills, maintenance and set up, is life and death.
Once again, thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Here’s to paying it forward!
Paul Stamper, Texas USA Paying it Forward!
At COTA - last session having at an HP4. He never got away from me on my RZ500.
You and I discussed riding old two strokes and the issue with making them competitive and reliable. I am on several forums and the one in particular RZ500 forum, is where a lot of people can make mistakes. They purchase a mid 80s or older bike and want it to go fast and look good.
The thing I have tried to help people with is suspension setup. Your knowledge and videos gave me the confidence to take on my own RZ500 and convert it to a competitive track bike. It is not fast enough in a straight line for top level track groups but will run with anything mid tier. HP4 Race. Ducati Pannigalli V4.
I have found what works and have tried to pass the knowledge you have taught to me. You can not take a twindly old frame and put super stiff R1 forks and expect it to handle. Can possibly brake the frame or bend it if ridden hard enough. New frames are super strong.
Or take an old chassis with 18 inch wheels and put modern rubber on it. Then expect it to handle good. People do not understand modern frame geometry. You turn the bike into a cruiser.
I hate to see fellow enthusiasts go down the wrong path because they saw it in a picture or read about it on the web. Then they spend good money on something that someone else said they did.
Do your research and be patient. There is a lot of good info on the web but be sure they are confident before dumping hard earned money down the rabbit hole.
You have saved me from having an expensive trailer queen by saving a lot of potential mistakes.
Have a great Christmas. Thanks for all the great content because I would have never had the confidence to do it myself. And lastly I hope you get a ride next year do the Australian race next month.
You are the best. Thanks
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I subscribed to DMT site and after watching this Comparison Test: V4S vs RSV4 1100 Factory I can say that this is the most informative review I've ever experienced.
Technically so comprehensive with so much useful information that would help everyone that's in the market for buying one of these two motorcycles to make a choice based on their personal preference rather than marketing hype!
Aaron Janes, Caifornia USA
I want to by stating this isn't my first Ducati and isn't the first time I've had my suspension setup correctly on a bike. Both of these things matter and I'll explain why.
I've had roughly 10 motorcycles in my life. First one being a Smokin Joe edition f3,f4,f4i,rc51,748 w/998 motor,3 KTM's and a Husky 510 supermoto . Out of all them my husky was the only one properly setup to my weight and style. I had it done by some guy who was doing it at a meet in Sacramento. I use the word."setup" loosely. He wheeled my bike into a tent, which only the suspension guy and helper were allowed. Did it ride better? Yes, but I had no idea what was done.
This past Saturday I had the privilege to not only get my bike worked on but I was able to watch Dave Moss work his magic.
Bike after bike he took the time to explain to the owner what he was doing,why he was doing it and what the owner should do to further improve his bike. There were a lot of very different bikes requiring different adjustments and settings. After he would spent 10 to 15 minutes correcting the current setting, he would then send the owner out to ride.
Dave explained what to watch for and what he wanted the rider to feel. Then the rider would return, fill Dave in on what he experienced. Dave would adjust and send the rider out again .
Some bikes needed maybe one ride while I watched a few bikes get 3 and 4 adjustments. The result regardless of how trips was the same. A rider smiling and telling everyone how much better the ride was.
I bought my Hypermotard 821 as a 3rd owner. The previous owner had made his own adjustments and weighed about 25lbs less than me. I didn't have a lot of feedback for Dave on how bike behaved. After taking his measurements and checking things like sag,compression etc, he was able to tell me what my bike had been riding like.. Ok I'm impressed.
He measured, adjusted and explained every move he made. He took the time to explain the nature of the Hypermotard and how the adjustments he made were so different from 90% of the bikes there that day.
I left for my first ride. Immediately I felt planted. The twitchy steering was gone. I could turn in late and dive through the turn without feeling like I would drift. Back to back turns and it was just effortless. I ended up riding further than expected.
Dave made a couple more adjustments, changed tire pressure and set me out. I was going faster than before with more confidence. I felt safer.
After I got back and watched him continue to work his magic and explain every step I realized, this was my first true suspension setup. Anyone can wheel a bike into a tent and make changes. A true master can truly make a bike safer and explain every little step. I'll be making it a point from this point on to take every bike I own and every friend with a bike taken their bike to Dave.
First of all thank you for all the videos, I've only been riding for two and half years and have learnt so much from watching you set up bike after bike, and along with your on going commentary as you set the bikes up, its worth every penny of the subscription.
Kind regards, Garry
Matthew Dennis, Queensland Australia
My bike is a 2012 Ducati Monster 696 with upgraded suspension from a Monster 1100s. Öhlins forks, single sided swing arm and Sachs Shock. All recently (300km) serviced.
Front has 15mm of travel left before bottom out and that's after aggressive canyon riding. Rear shock is similar.
Thank you for educating on tyre pressures and heat.
I love your videos, and if it wasn't for you, my bike would not handle as well as it does.
Love your work Dave
FYI: build details
100s front end, with Öhlins forks and upgraded master cylinders for brake and clutch.
796 single sided swing arm with the 1100s Sachs Shock.
796 rims with Michelin power RS rubber.
Rapid Bike Evo with custom dyno tune.
Cordona quick shifter.
Metal tech rear sets with carbon heal guards.
Carbon front and rear hugger and fuel tank surround.
Ian McCormick USA (remote tune)
2016 Ducati Scrambler
I did take your advice and pushed the forks through the triple a bit and it was amazing.
Really helped the bike turn easier.
Brandon Miller, Minnesota USA (remote tune)
I have a 2009 Yamaha R1 and recently had the chance to have Dave Moss help me set up my suspension. Working with him is super easy and straight to the point.
My bike has completely stock suspension and after I installed the settings Dave Moss sent me I Immediately notice huge differences. I honestly didn’t think I would notice these small easy adjustments at all but as soon as I hopped on for the first ride, before I even left I noticed how much stiffer everything felt.
Riding it was a whole new experience.
The bike felt so much more planted and stable in every aspect. Even straight line acceleration. It’s incredible how such a small adjustment can make you feel so much more confident as a rider.
To anyone on the fence about consulting Dave, definitely do it, I promise it will make you a more comfortable, faster and safer rider.
YouTube comment by miroslaw m
Not sure why only 47k subscribers to DMT.
It’s fast, clear, without talking too much.
Once some time ago I have used PB UK magazine chart they did with group of bikes. I followed that chart for zx6r, risen rear height, soften rear spring (a lot) added preload to the front forks, played some clicks with compression. This was only based on tester weight, so not really custom setup. It was really different from factory setup anyway. I mean the bike was completely different, it was amazing, softer and more friendly on the road, but way sharper to turn and nimble because of added rear height.
Guys! Don’t do crazy upgrades, don’t buy shit you don’t need. Make sure you have good tyres and do professional suspension setup! You will be amazed.
Most of bikers should watch his videos to get the idea.
Thank you Dave!
Thomas Hogvist, Sweden (remote tune)
Thank you so very much for your help. I’ve tested your suggested settings a lot now, and the first settings are the ones that feels the best for my riding.
I’ve since I got your email changed tires to M7RR’s, they seem to perform very well at 36 psi (street riding and it’s cold here in Sweden now, about 5-8 C).
I think I will book a remote tuning when summer is here to fine tune it a little bit better, I think there’s more to get from the suspension.
Have a great weekend,
Chris Maxwell, Geelong, Australia (remote tune)
Thank you for your knowledge!
I’ve set the bike up as discussed and it’s fantastic. The rear shock rebound dampening is set at 2 turns out as I found 1/4 turn was really restrictive.
Other than that it’s a very different machine. I though it was in need of a steering dampner, but after the adjustments... all settled.
My original settings were all over the place... like if someone on the showroom floor was fiddling. I’ve own the bike from new.
Thank you again Dave .
Kindest Regards ,
Scott Storkel, Facebook event, California
Just wanted to follow-up on the suspension tuning of my Ducati Supersport S that you did at last week's Facebook event. The bike already felt quite a bit better on the ride home from FB!
We talked about a couple of modifications I should have done to the bike:
1. Stiffer front fork springs. I think you recommend 0.95s; I believe the stock springs are 0.80kg/mm
2. Switch to Ohlins 10wt fork oil in the rebound (right) fork leg; stick with 5wt fork oil in the compression (left) leg
As always, thanks for your help!
Joel Dunn, California, USA
First off, a massive thank you.
Last Saturday I attended the event up at Turtle Rock and you set up the suspension on my Tuono, and quite frankly it finally feels like it functions and handles like it should.
In any case, thank you again for setting up the Tuono, I was beating my head against the wall for months and I never would have thought to lengthen the rear shock.
Ron Hu (remote tune)
Great info on your website. I have no prob. shooting you 40 bucks. It is really saddening just HOW MANY have no clue about setup AND how many dealers don't do it.
If it wasn't for your videos. I might be dead by now for how I ride and if I never was made to think about weight ranges for springs and valving to control them + the bike/rider weight..
So as a Dave fan boy lol, thanks for keeping me alive.
Scott Storkel, California USA
Just wanted to let you know how happy I am that I brought my 2015 KTM Super Duke 1290 R to one of your recent suspension setup events. I'd tried KTM's recommended settings, tried setting it up myself, tried settings I found on the Internet, and I even paid a local suspension shop to setup the bike, but it still felt terrible! I was convinced that the stock WP suspension just wasn't as great as all the reviewers said and that my only option was to spend $3000+ on new fork cartridges and an Ohlins shock if I wanted the bike to handle properly.
The adjustments you made completely transformed the way the bike rides and handles!
It's now one of the best-handling bikes I've ever owned and an absolute joy to ride!
Many thanks for all your help (and for saving me 3000 bucks)!
Patrick Boyle, California USA
Had the chance to take some measurements.
At current settings I was measuring in at 25.4 mm of rider suspension sag.
After adjusting the rebound to 1 turn, it read 38.1 mm
Didn’t have the chance to get it out on the mountain but spent some time on 280 and high speed single bumps felt solid. The suspension reacted quickly and only got sent off the seat once for a very abrupt bump. On the uneven surface going 80mph it was soaking up well but still transferring a solid amount of of shaking into my body.
I think an important note is this is my first street bike and I’ve had it for about 3 months now. So I might not know exactly what “good” or “bad” suspension feel is like for a street bike. I just am able to note how it makes me feel while riding and what I’d like to achieve. I can send further notes after mountain testing.
Will Tooros, California USA
The good news is I followed your settings and got the bike to handle better in corners and under braking!
Jose Hernandez, California USA
I met up with you over the weekend and had you set up my suspension on my 959 Panigale.
It took a few days of riding to relearn the bike and really be able to be confident in the bike. It feels much better. Now I’m starting to be able to use the brakes harder and wanted to see about increasing the preload a bit more. My zip tie is close to the bottom again now that I’m able to push the bike with confidence.
Thank you for your time. The bike is much better than it was!
Dan Coats, California, USA
I purchased my buddy's Husqvarna 250 and headed for the hills.
After struggling (and struggling) with the bike on trail, I asked Dave to come take a look at my maybe stock maybe something else setup.
Dave spent about an hour running through the shock, fork and overall ergonomics while getting the background on my riding ability and planned next rides.
Afterwards, the bike’s response and handling was unrecognizable — felt like a whole new machine. I went from fighting the bike to just riding and having a blast! Thanks again to Dave for his expertise and advice.
Ibrahim Chintangal, California USA
The bike now feels a lot better!! I took the long route home and the compression adjustment you made on the front fork works quite well. Its quite noticeable during tight sections and stop and go traffic.
Over the next few weeks, I intend to get the fork oil and rear spring changed.
Joseph Brownwhill, England, UK
Really enjoying the content.
As a novice rider of 3 years you’ve totally reprogrammed my approach from ‘getting in a car’ mentality to ‘what do I need to function properly’ (bike wise that is).
Paul Hovarth, UK (remote tune)
Thank you Kindly David for your time and advice which in itself today is a very much overlooked and neglected trait.. RE: My rear suspension is very similarly sprung to the front so they tend to bear an equal load.
For now I will settle for the stiffer ride due to lack of finances as I'm a pensioner who has given up ALL and Lord knows I've had a few Vices thus pay for my bike.
Most kind regards to you Sir and I shall continue to follow,and learn from you as well as promote you Extensive knowledge , understanding and experience relative to set up etc.
Jooho Lee, Hobart, Australia
I have subscribe to your website and been watching your videos to get better understanding of suspension setup!
Robert Houseman, New South Wales, Australia (remote tune)
Okay, had a quick ride and bike feels better I feel it is smoother over the s*** roads we have over here.
I will ride some better roads tomorrow thanks for your help.
I am one of your subscribers in YouTube. I watched a lot of your videos and I learned a lot. Thank you!
Dario Satori, California USA
Tires ordered!!! Clickers set, took a 10 mile ride in town and I could already feel the difference. Clickers were way off, even the forks were set different from each other. Again Thank you
Ok new tires are on, suspension set as per you. Took it on a shakedown run on hwy 36 today. It did awesome! Took it a bit easy due to brand new tires but it performed great! Thank you for your help
Kyle Lee Lum, Trinidad and Tobago.
First and foremost thank you so much for providing the content, insight and expertise that you do!
As a new rider I truly appreciate it.
I just wanted to reach out cause I am at witts end in trying to understand how to properly set up my bike for my ability level. I would like to schedule if possible a 1 on 1 consulting skype session with you if you can let me know your availability next week.
Let me know how to go about setting up an appointment with you I would love to next week when I get the bike back with the other rear shock installed so I can adjust the preload if necessary, if there is anything you need in the interim I would gladly assist in any way I can thank you, you have no idea how much you are helping me to become a better self taught rider.
I weigh about 70kg and have taken about 5kg of weight out of my Scrambler Icon via titanium exhausts and removal of some extra bits. I made the fork adjustments you mention in this video and had adjusted the rear preload accordingly as well.
OH MY WORD! Huge difference! Thank you!
The bike turns much, much faster now and feels a lot flatter than I could have ever suspected on the OEM suspension. The rebound is still a bit off from the factory front to rear however this has made the bike another beast. I am so glad someone with your experience is giving such great content to the world!
If you are ever in San Diego or Socal track events I'd love to thank you in person!
Calvin Davis, Melbourne Australia
I've been watching your videos for a while now and decided to try adjust my suspension on GSX1400.(daily computer ).
I've been riding bikes on and off for the last 40 years and never adjusted anything before ( hard to get right and easy to get wrong). So with a tape measure and a zip tie I got to work and the bike is now a lot better and more comfortable to ride. Using your videos as a guide.
The front preload was to stiff and rebound to soft, back to soft , so stiffen the back lighten the preload on the front and screw in the rebound still trying to find the right compression but the bike is a hell of a lot better, it even seems to stop better on the front brake, although that might be because the front forks now have some travel in them.
Next I might tackle a fork oil change, So thanks for the video s and for giving blokes like me enough knowledge and confidence to give it ago themselves
Thank you Calvin Davis
Joshua Whitford, Florida, USA
Hi there to both Daves!
Love the content, and I’ve completely consumed it over the last several days. I stumbled upon Dave’s slow/turn+gas video, and haven’t stopped. I’m a mechanical, then materials engineer... hearing Dave talk about this “art” in a data driven way is enthralling and totally demystifies suspension tuning.
Thanks for all the content.
Hope to see you in person one day, here in FL or out in CA.
I listen to a podcast you were on. Wow!....very impressed with what you had to said. So I subscribed for a year.
I never been without a bike since I was 5 years old....yet I have so much to learn from you.
I own a 2018 BMW R1200 GSA. I only ride on paved roads, never gravel or dirt.
I would like to prepare this winter as much as possible so when spring comes I can follow suit.
Thank you for all you do!
Best Of Day!
Scott Gall, USA (remote tune)
I went to try both the R1 and the ZX10R for size and didn’t feel comfortable on either of them.
I’m the same height as yourself and find the fit of the CBR1000RR pretty much perfect, and it’s lovely on road and the track. I will stick with the Honda, I’ve got it set up really nicely for the road and have a good baseline setting for the track.
Cheers for the advice,
Rick, Australia (remote tune)
You helped me awhile back on my R3 with suspension issues all sorted now handles mega. Want to thank you for your feedback and your videos I have be learnt so much in 2 yrs amazing!
Are there articles or videos on geometry adjustments. ie: when do you raise the rear as opposed to lowering the front? I would like to understand more on this subject.
After subscribing to the premium membership my bike is safer and easier to ride,but best of all I now have information that will stay with me for the rest of my riding life.
Somehow thank you does not seem enough.
Shane Flynn, Dungarvan, Ireland
Just bought a ZZR 1400, so enjoyed your video on the 18 one. The rider who had this one before me was a much bigger man so I am going to have to get it re sprung. I have static sag in the rear but not enough rider sag.
I have helped out some friends due to following you and your content and I am learning all the time. Geometry is something I would like to know more about.
Thanks Dave for your amazing contribution to the world of motorcycles!
Recently signed up to a premium account... worth every penny of it.
Thank you so much for your patience and for finding a way to make what you do accessible to many people.
Your 2018 Panigale V4S Suspension Eval video has brought a lot more comfort and confidence with me dealing with my own V4S.
Moreover, many of your other videos have provided great ergo details which have helped out crafting a better riding position. In short, thank you.
Terry Saltzman, California USA
Hope you are recovering well from your off a few weeks ago! how are you? what did end up with and are you healing?
I'm Terry, the tall guy with the silver hair, silver beard, silver Aprilia Futura rst100 and silver leather suit at the recent Proitalia session, of which I purchased two of on that rainy Saturday!
Just got back from a relaxing 3 week tour of Italy and Sicily and finally got on the Aprilia for a nice long twisty session on Sunday.....I love the way the bike handles!! Rough on rough roads but so nice on smooth twisties!
I just signed up for premium membership....love the vids!!
Ashley Coetzee (remote tune)
Just some feedback on the 2018 SV 650.
Did the 15w oil, .9kg/mm spring.. Oil level 130mm. Works brilliantly for a budget bike and suspension.
Well matched with front. I got 40mm rider sag. 35mm before bottom out.
Thank you for your input. You were right I had to experiment with preload spacers & oil height.
Well worth it. Thank you again.
Rick Tapnio, Fairfield, California, USA
My Ducati Streetfighter hasn’t felt right in a long time. The last 5-6 rides had me doubting my skills - “am I losing it??”.
After having Dave Moss set up my Streetfighter 848 at Thunderhill yesterday, I ran it out to the bridge today for a shakedown with the boys around Lake Berryessa.
Prior to today, she simply was not turning in and I was fighting her at every corner.
Well, as expected... Dave FIXED it. Telepathic is a word I’ve used before to describe how my bikes feel after the Dave Moss effect. Today was no different. I feel like the the old me again.
Charles Velasquez, Phoenix, Arizona, USA (remote tune)
After a few days and some miles I have noticed two maybe three differences. Before I get into that I'll tell you how much adjusting I had to do to meet your recommendations.
Forks preload was already adjusted well but I believe 5 out is a little more preload than I had before. Rebound was maxed out now backed off 4 clicks.
Rear preload was maxed out and rebound exactly what you had recommended.
1. High speed handlebar wobble gone. I almost thought I needed a damper. Don't know if your changes could have helped but wobble seems to have gone away.
2. Seem to be able do steer it where I want to easier. Before I was wide without a lot of effort now it seems easier.
3. Takes bumps easier but again I had that fork preload maxed.
Oh one more thing, right before adjustments I felt like the front tire was sliding on moderate intersection turns but that's gone. Road debris?
I wish I could get on a track and really get a good feel but so far so good. Going to do a 2 up ride up a fun road here (yarnell hill) soon that I've done before. I'm sure it will be better this go around.
Thanks again. Dave, I'll tell all I can about your service. Its rare I meet a biker who actually touches the suspension adjustments and I don't understand.
Duncan Matthews, UK (remote tune)
Just a belated update. I have adjusted the suspension to your settings and what a difference!
The dealer would not adjust the rear spring so I am having a "C" spanner made to do the job myself. For your reference they did adjust the rear shock for track and the bike lost that planted feel on the back so I have reset back to your setting!
In the meantime I was going to experiment with your tyre pressure settings or would you suggest I wait until I have adjusted the spring?
I have to say the bike is so much better to ride and has not lost any of that feel and sweet handling and I also keep my fillings! Thank you for your advise so far and I will update you after the rear spring has been adjusted.
Gerardo Ramon, California USA (remote tune)
I’ve made the adjustments to my front and rear suspension settings.
I was specially surprised for how much I had to change the front, I think it was about 3 turns out counter clockwise, now wonder why I was bottoming the front on hard braking.
The rear shock was showing about 5 threads, so it was a little less to adjust there to show only 3 threads, this and a couple of psi’s might also help my rear tire wear as it was showing some hot tear.
I’ve also adjusted the clicks for comp/rebound as per instructions, my next track day is in a couple of weeks, then I’ll try the feeling and provide feedback.
I finally got to ride the new setup, it definitely felt more planted on turns and more stable while braking, here are some pictures of the zip tie and tire wear!
Mike Friedman, San Francisco Bay Area
Just want to say thank you again for getting us all dialed last night!!
My bike (Red Supersport with Green LED's inside) is a completely new machine now and I am so grateful for the adjustments you made.
There are certain areas that I always brace for during my morning commute (harsh bumps or changes in the road) and this morning, the bike surfed over it all with ease!!!
I am SO happy!!!
Thank you Dave!!
G-d bless you.
Eric Dias, San Francisco Bay Area, USA
Dear Mr. Moss,
Today after you help set up my 2018 ninja 650 KRT it was the best ride home I had. The full ride home I had a big smile on my face. It was all because of you. I hope to see you again on October 16 if my rear shock is installed.
Thank you again for making time for me before the motor cafe event.
Ali Adiby, Bahrain (remote tuning)
Thank you for your informative email which contained valuable information that allowed me to achieve a faster lap time by one second!
Jesal Sagar, India (remote tune)
Hello Dave Sir
I am very much thankful to you sir .
Went on a ride this Sunday and I found the suspension to be bit stiff but I love the handling of the bike can now take corners easily and feel confident while riding at high speeds .
Thank you very much sir .
Jesal Sagar .
Gary Sinclair, New Zealand
From New Zealand we both thank you for improving our riding experience. Sorry I missed you in Auckland. Thanks for all the help with your videos and messages.
The bike is awesome handles like it's on rails. I ride with a lot of younger riders and have helped with setup on there bikes, static sag, rider sag etc.
Thanks a heap I've passed on what you've taught and thank you.
Karl Schmidt, Darwin Australia (remote tune)
Tested Swingarm angle change and ended up with 10D swingarm angle – lowering the bike 30ml at rear.
Pushed the forks through another 5ml to make it steer
Raced with 20 ml sag on rear
Settings: Rear Comp:- 3 ¼ turns
Rear Reb: 1 ¾ turns
Front Comp: 2 ¼ turns
Rear Reb: 2 ¼ turns
Won’t turn in unless it’s on the brakes. (Can’t turn in at turn 2 or turn 7/Ducati)
Took the rear end squirm (bounce) away in turn 2
Much better drive off corners and the whole bike seemed bit more manoeuverable other than corners where we don’t brake into. 5kmh faster down the straight and lap times were consistently half a second quicker.
KC Tien, Japan (remote tune)
I have a 2014 Kawasaki Z1000SX. I've followed the video instruction to setup the bike and it has never felt so smooth before! On the cold setting I have
I took it to the local short track for a quick ride today and got the tire wear result in attached photo. Tire pressure was 33psi both front and rear. Forgot to check the front fork zip tie though...
This track is intended for smaller bikes and looks like this:
Lap record is about 40s although I can only pull off at slightly short of 60s in average as I've only started going to tracks since earlier this year and still need time to build up the confidence especially on braking.
At any rate I just want to thank you as I am really amazed by the useful information you have provided!
John VanGrunsven (remote tune)
I was completely not getting it. I understand now.
I have made the adjustment.. 3.5 turns from full out to flush with the fork cap. Also equates to 3.5 mm of needle travel in/out of the valve.
It will be great to have the full range with fresh/ more viscous oil.
Thank you so much for your time and guidance.
In one year, I have done damper rod, BPF, and now a classic cartridge fork.
Take Care and thank you so much!
Brian Fichette, YouTube comment
I'm going to say this again: You have to subscribe to Dave's premium access.
I have a 2019 MT-09 and I've watched pretty much all of Dave's videos, but he's never done a specific one for my bike until today.
Here's what I find absolutely astonishing:
- Just by learning from Dave, I have set my bike up almost identical to the settings in this video.
- Rear sag is the same (because without it, there's no static sag).
- Rear rebound is the same.
- Front rebound is the same.
- Front preload numbers aren't mentioned, but I set mine so I'm at 32mm
- My compression setting is significantly harder because (as Dave would say) I have ADHD and need that feedback.
- Also, anything softer and I bottom the forks under heavy braking.
My point is, I learned how to set my bike up like this by watching the master do it. It takes a lot of practice and I'm still rough around the edges, but Dave gives you the tools.
For example, before I dialed in this lovely setup, the bike felt pretty good with the settings I chose. But Dave also teaches you how to read the tread wear patterns and I realized my rebound was too fast still by looking at the tread wear. That's how I got to the settings that matched this video.
So even though I may not have the trained eye to see the difference between "pretty close rebound" and "spot on rebound", Dave gave me this great backup tool of reading the tires and now it's perfect.
So if you care about the enjoyment, safety, and stability of your riding experience, seriously, go subscribe. It's so worth it.
Than you once again, Dave.
Aundrea Rister, Portsmouth, Ohio, USA
As a newer lady rider, I had minimal knowledge about suspension. I didn’t understand the importance of a bike’s suspension being set to a person’s weight, height or skill set of a rider.
To describe my Yamaha R6 before the suspension was fully set to suit my size would be stiff, unforgiving, and terrible traction. I struggled with fighting my bars, I didn’t have a light hand grip by any means. These problems took my focus off other important factors. I was struggling. I didn’t understand why I felt so defeated. I struggled with things like following the correct lines, body positioning and speed.
Fast forward to the Women’s Sport Bike Rally. This was my first time attending this rally and with my suspension in the forefront of my mind I was nervous to say the least.
I soon learned that the incredible Dave Moss was at that same rally and was offering suspension setups. I took full advantage.
Once my bike returned from Wheelers Motorcycle Shop with correct springs for my weight, I took it straight to Dave Moss. That feeling after I attended my first track day (had previously done about 5 on my old suspension) after my fresh new setup was phenomenal. My confidence was sky rocketing. I felt relieved. All the struggling and fighting my bike I had gone. It wasn’t an issue anymore. I was maintaining a better tire grip. I was able to focus more on my body positioning and it had improved tremendously. I was able to go faster. I trusted my bike to work with me and not against me. It worked so well with me that I received the intermediate bump that following track day.
I cannot thank Dave Moss enough for making it possible to go beyond what I thought I was capable of. And I also want to thank the ladies at the women’s rally who organized such a wonderful event!
Greg Ruben, Maryland USA
I wanted to let you know that I was able to react and avoid hitting a deer this morning in a much faster way than I could in the past.
It is my belief that it was in part due to you helping me with the proper angle of the levers in relation to my arms, hands, and fingers. I was braking and reacting quicker than I could process "oh crap a deer is in front of me".
So, I wanted to give you some credit for that and to thank you again. An unexpected but welcomed added benefit of your time, advice, and guidance.
Sean Hamaan, Queensland, Australia (remote tune)
G'day again Dave,
Wow! Thank you so much for the (speedy!) reply. You must be a very busy man and I do very much appreciate your reply.
Thank you for clearing up the setting up of suspension for me, I was on the right track however I wasn't aware of the "set up the rear first" point. (It makes total sense of course.) Thanks also for your advice re: my forks, this too was along the lines I was thinking but your detailed info is superb and reassured me that this process would be a good preliminary step.
I am very grateful for the video link to Jason "1 Armed Bandit" Lopez, I see he has a similar setup to me with the twin levers, and it was inspiring to see the approach he took with regards to bike choice! I have not considered using a dirt-bike but this has opened my eyes and brought a new level of excitement to my way of thinking about riding!
I'm thinking my next project may well be to convert a 600cc traily into a "super moto". Well Dave, thank you for your fantastic response, you have clarified and given me much to consider, answered my questions (above and beyond) and increased my levels of passion for riding even more!
Your reply has truly made my day. I can't express how grateful I am for your help. You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. Best wishes, Keep the rubber on the Tarmac. Sean.
Marcel Rahe, Germany (remote tune)
My name is Marcel and I'm from Germany.
I'm a member for one month now and so glad to have all this great information!
There is so much information on the internet which is often very misleading.
At first I want to thank you for doing this! So I could not be happier to have a whole lot of tips from you which are very well explained!
Adam Smith (remote tune), New Jersey Motorsports Park, USA
Dave thanks again for your expertise. Got a class bump yesterday at New Jersey Motorsport Park , and the tires look better after adjusting the pressures to your spec!
Peter Bresloff, New York, USA (Remote tune)
Yoooo man I just got home from riding with your setup. The bike is soooo much better now. Thank you Dave. I’m full of gratitude for your help I really appreciate.
Francois Barbe, Barbee Racing Suspension, Quebec Canada
Please translate all the good comments from my customers with their suspension tuning.
I tuned about 200 bikes so far this summer with a 100% satisfaction. I am now the reference for suspension tuning in Quebec Canada in the Greater Montreal and beyond.
Thanks to you for that.
My best regards
Barbee Racing Suspension
Rick Tapnio, California, USA
No matter how many times Dave Moss has adjusted my bikes over the course of a dozen years, his gracious talent never ceases to amaze me...
He took a “functioning” suspension and transformed it into another telepathic magic machine - an extension of me, if you will. I put almost 1600 miles on the stock factory setting and felt I was smooth and quick enough with little drama on the Scrambler... then DMT happens and I feel like a total neophyte.
And just like that, the Sled is transformed completely. No longer rough in the small bumps nor squatting dramatically accelerating mid-corner. The $40 I spent added $1M in confidence as a rider. No different from the countless times before today. Thanks, Dave!
Dawson Mackle, Nelson, British Columbia
Your are very gifted with the work you do! I cant express to how much of a change you did to two of my buddy's bikes that I have rode!
Janelle Palencsar, North Carolina, USA
Although I will try to find them, words just cannot express what an incredible weekend we had attending the 2019 Women’s Sportbike Rally at the Iron Horse Motorcycle Lodge.
Seeing as I am the only female Sportbike rider in Henderson County (that I know of) it was such a unique experience to meet so many strong lady riders.
Brittany Morrow and her team did a fantastic job putting it all together. So much hard work goes into planning an event of this size, I just want you all to know how grateful we are for all of your hard work and dedication to WSR.
The highlight of the weekend for me was having Starfire 🌟 🔥 custom tuned to me specifically by the suspension god himself Dave Moss. I am already looking forward to next year!
Keith Whiting, USA (remote tuning)
First, let me say thanks again!! I put the settings you gave in the forks and it is much better. Ran my normal loop today, and I could feel the difference.
P- 2 in
C- 1 in
R- 1 in
Bounced the front of the bike with cold oil and rebound was about right, and did not overshoot and settle. Just up and stop. With hot fork oil on an 80 degree day, I added ¼ turn in on rebound and that seems to be pretty close to ideal. I was running 35/38 cold for street tire pressure.
I don’t know what bottom out is on the forks, but travel on the stock fork is 109mm (4.3 in). I had the right fork marked with a zip tie and max used is 65mm.
The Q3+ tires do transmit a lot of feedback, and on smooth sections the sensation I’d had before was not there now. Overall balance seemed good also. I can take my hands and open them on the bars and not have any figure 8 type motion. The bike steers well, better than I remember my old (2004 VFR) handling. No issues running wide when driving through corners on throttle.
I very much appreciate you taking the time to help me out!! If you ever get to any East Coast track days, I’d like to know. I’d make it a point to attend and would love to work with you in person.
Karl Roe, Hong Kong
I’m an Australian living and working in Hong Kong racing an 2019 R1 in the China Pan Delta Superbike series at Zhuhai.
Really enjoy your articles and videos!
Mr. Moose, Texas, USA
Hi Mr. Moss,
I just stumbled onto your videos and web site yesterday and I consider that a very lucky thing. I watched a ton of your videos yesterday and signed up for your premium service without hesitation.
I am 50 and I have a 2011 GSX-R750, first sport bike, second bike ever (2001 XLH1200 Harley Sportster) and the previous owner had screwed the suspension up royally. Maybe that is how I bought a cherry 2011 sub 10000 miles for five grand that only needed tires.
I have done a good bit of performance and aesthetic mods and have been pretty happy chalking unfamiliar issues up to a lack of experience, but after checking just rear free sag, I have found my problems and you have provided the solution. There isn't any free sag and I can only just get any sag at all pressing down with both hands very hard. Yes, "second kid on the trampoline" for certain, very simple, clear, accurate and clever of you!
When I have the chance I plan on conquering my sad issues then on to figuring out my compression and rebound needs. For now everything is back to factory except the rear pre-load. I will probably never get on a track, though I would like to someday, and I live in middle of nowhere Texas so the likely hood of ever getting to meet you, have you look at and improve my bike and give you a proper thanks in person, please consider this a digital handshake of respect and a sincere thank you!
Keep Calm and Ride On!
Markus, Munchen, Germany (remote tuning)
thanks again for your cooperation and your help. The bike feels amazing and smooth when riding around town and countryside. It feels like a totally different bike.
As I am planning a purchase of a 2019 V4R I just wanted to know if you have a street setup for this bike as well you could send me. I will get mine next Friday and would like to change the suspension immediateley. As the German roads are getting bumpier I would like to have a setup where the bike is not to stiff as I do not want to jump around.
Please find enclosed also a picture of myself and my V4S.
Thank you for your support.
Scott Campbell, New Brunswick, Canada
Thanks again for all the help. The VTR250 feels incredible with the Penske! I’m confident with some work I can get the öhlins working great as well.
FYI: photo by Dave Morash
Vincent Giovannini, Calfornia USA
I want to say thank you so vey much for your help this last race season. All of your advice as well as the changes you made to my suspension were a huge help. All of it allowed me to feel more comfortable on my bike, and there by allowing me to do the best I possibly could without the restrictions of uncertainty.
It was a great pleasure getting to know with you and even ride with you. I hope your next season turns out to be as fruitful as the last. Congratulations on your achievement.
Moreover, thank you so very much for your kindness.
Paul Gargiulo, New York, USA (remote tuning)
Hey Dave -
The Monster is significantly more stable with your settings. Thank you your help.
It still has some "resistance" to turning in but I'm thinking it may be a function more of where my body weight is on this bike rather than any suspension setting per se.
Maybe I'll consider slightly flatter bars to put a bit more weight on the front end. But the suspension is working better, no doubt.
After watching a number of your videos I finally got up the confidence to stiffen up my pre load. My bike (ktm 790) is transformed! I’m a heavy guy and didn’t even expect the benefits I’ve got.
The bike feels safer, especially in the wet, tracks better, especially at speed and corners so much better it’s not funny.
I used to have big problems with running wide in corners so would need to slow it right down. Now the bike feels to track way better on its line and feels a lot more stable!
Thank you so much 🙂
Question: how do I know if I’ve done enough? Should I go shorter? Where is the point where it doesn’t improve things any further?
Thanks again, I’m so pleased
Aaron Greer, Texas USA (remote tuning)
I just wanted to let you know I just finished testing the first test you sent me and I have to say it’s definitely different but in a great way,
I had zero static sag stock and I now have it set to 13mm and I actually don’t feel like I’m getting bucked off my bike. The front end feels good maybe a tad stiff as I’m not used to it yet but I love the way it feels now and don’t think I really need to try other settings but will save them for future references.
I appreciate you helping me out. Now I feel my suspension is corrected for my body size.
Thanks, Aaron Geer
Riders of Area 27, Oliver, British Columbia
Trayr GabertDave it was a pleasure having you up again. You really helped dial in my brand new bike. Will do it again next year.
Scott FerrissDave Moss... its always a pleasure hanging out with you. Come up early next year and spin some laps with us.
Joe GohnThanks for your help Dave our whole little crew from the West Kootenays had you tune us up. The most common response under our tent was wow what a difference that's amazing how much better it rides see you again some time..
PeeOter ClickeeDave, thanks again for getting my Aprilia setup. World of a difference. I also really appreciated you taking the time to explain the issues at hand and the mechanics causing them. A scholar and gentleman.
Steffano “Ducati”, Canada
I want to thank you for the time you spent with me at Area 27 Sunday Aug 20.
I have been building bikes for 40 years + and learned more about suspension in one day with you than all my time previous.
Also my Diavel got faster after every tuning session . Looking forward to spending time with you again when I have my 1198 Track bike back together this fall !
All the best YOU are the man !! Ciao Stephano
Jagjit Manku, New Delhi, India
You're correct stock settings don't work for me. Thanx Dave, (Remote Tuning) - it works out really well!
Mantas Urmonas, Lithuania
Thanks for all the help via remote tuning! I am the fastest 600 in Lithuania!
Alfonso Carrino, USA (remote tuning)
Just want to say “thank you”.
Good ride, today - lots of experimenting. The Dynamic / Dynamic setting with one helmet, seems to be the best. I rode with a back case, today, which I usually only put on for my wife. I included a few fotos. Rear tire seemed to have nice, clean and smooth rubber on the other edges (foto taken after I was on a short piece of country road - little “dirty”). I used to race Karts 45 years ago - slicks looked like my tire, today. Felt good. The foto of the front shock was at a softer setting and it felt "blah". Roads were twisty. I’ll keep playing with it. Changed my clutch and brake handles to be more ergonomic and comfortable. Tire pressures are next on my list - maybe tomorrow if the wife is OK with it.
As a side note, you do a great job on your instructional videos. I would imagine there are a lot of BWN guys out there that don’t have a clue about electronic suspensions. Might be a video for one day in the future.
If you are every in the NY / NJ area doing a class, pls advise. Like to learn from the master.
Thank you, again.
Marcus Henderson, California USA
Thanks for helping me with my suspension. I just beat my fastest race time @ T-Hill doing a track day. You the man.
Karim Khalifa, Australia
Thank you for your videos on the importance of rear sag. My R1 08 has Ohlins TTX and the rear had hardly any rear static sag. I am running a heavy spring as well, so the bike was very jittery at the back. I backed off the preload until I achieved 10mm of rear static sag and my rider sag was around 32mm.
I also discovered that having the right rear static sag, allowed for proper adjustment of the front rebound too. When I had hardly any rear static sag, the rebound of the front forks was "fighting" the rear.
Now, with rear static sag of 10mm, I am able to bounce the front forks and correctly determine where the clickers should be at. I am currently 13 clicks out on the front forks, which does over steer slightly, but it gives me more confidence. When I close it up by one click (12), it is perfect, but I have less confidence in street cornering.
I have been keeping a journal as you recommend and for the last 3 weeks have been learning a lot. Many thanks for your videos and wonderful knowledge!
Matthew Testa, USA
I appreciate your feedback Dave!
I watch all your premium content 🤓.
You’re hands down the most knowledgeable outlet for me; as I’ve learned so much about setup watching your content. Hoping to make it up to NorCal to pay you a visit.
Ryan Hoblick, USA
I only got to try out the first set of settings before I had a low side, but much much improved! Thanks a lot!
Won’t have the bike back together for a few weeks, so in interim I’ll be piloting my 2016 RSV4 RF. I’d like to get some settings and plan for this, as I have another track day this weekend.
I’ll send over the info and some pictures when I get a chance.
Your info and settings worked wonders, and I have been suggesting you to some of my buddies in the paddock.
Will Browning, Great Britain
I'd just like to take this opportunity to say I've been following you for a good few years now and watching your old grainy suspension lectures I found found from years ago in the depths of YouTube are what got me interested in actually learning how suspension works so I can learn to tune my own and friends bikes to make them safer and easier to ride.
I commend you for how much free content you've shared over the many years and how free and open you are about your techniques and explanations (many of not all "pro" tuners rarely share any of their secrets). I took the plunge and subscribed recently and it's moved on my learning to the next level. So thanks for that.
My only minor thing would be the search function can be a little clunky sometimes of you don't get the search criteria just right, as opposed to other search engines that seem to filter a bit better and know what you mean.
It's still brilliant though so no biggie.
Your "pay it forward" mantra of learning and then passing it on is something I'm trying to do within my circle of riding mates and family.
Keep up the awesome work and please, please make a trip back to the UK some time to do a seminar or something! Please! 😉
I'm gonna wait till I've got more data to share with you on my 2017 SV650 (photos of tyre wear, sag and hydraulic setting's,etc) but I plan on booking one of your online one to one discussions in the near future to properly pick your brains on some specific areas.
Cheers again dude.
Eric Journe, France
I'm truly impressed by your know how, something that remains quite mysterious to me even after 10 years at the track...
So I went premium and I must say I don’t regret it!
I focused first on the front wheel as I was suffering from huge chattering in heavy braking since I went for Michelin EVO tyres.
Thanks to your « braking lines » video I finally managed to understand it was a tyre’s pressure issue (joining lines); 0.15 bars more and it disappeared 😄 (in fact it’s still there when I grab the lever but vanishes when I squash it).
I know many of us learnt a great deal from him over the course of the week myself especially turning the voodoo of bike setup into a logical process to work through is an amazing thing.
Stan Snow, Darwin Australia
Dave Moss. Well worth the money. He’s a magical tinkerer. Qualifying and two races later. You have one more day to utilize his services. Get onto him. He might be from Lancashire, but he knows stuff.
Kym Grosser, Australia
Thanks for the help at Darwin this week. The man went from this after 8 laps
To 44 laps. Never have I been able get more than 10 laps out of a rear Pirelli. Thanks!!!!!
Paul Hartley, ZZR1400
After setting my suspension using your guide lines, I found it no less than awesome.
The amount of feedback I was getting was superb I could feel the front forks extending on off camber corners it was brilliant.
Robby Stash, Australia
Hi mate, Tom from Australia,
You helped tune my KTM 1290 super duke via email last week and now she is running sweet thanks!
Just wanted to leave some feedback on your recent gsx1000 video you done. Got near the end thinking I wasn't going to learn anything new and then bam free play in your cable clutch.
Love those little nuggets.
I would really enjoy if you done more videos just on certain parts of the bike like the one you done on chains.
Great job Dave cheers, hope all the Aussies in Darwin are looking after you.
Carlos Hackmann, Brazil
It's Carlos, from Brazil.
Just passing by to thank you. I was watching your new episodes and decided to show you my improvement after met you and study your content.
I know I am far away from a MotoGP guy (that is not my goal since I need to work on Monday morning hahaha), but I really love to enjoy a good ride and a good corner.
A tire cant lie, as you say always. Still working to improve more and more and more.
You are part of my development.
Thank you Dave!
David Capão, Portugal
Sorry I took so long to reply, but it has been a busy week for me.
So, after some tests applying your instructions, I decided on Test 2 from your test plan.
It's a good compromise between comfortable on the road and predictable in the twisties.
The front suspension travel, using your suggested method, is about 3/4 of total travel. The measure I took was 85mm.
Tyre pressure was 35PSI on both wheels.
I'll make the payment as soon as I can.
Thank you very much and I hope to hear from you soon.
Mike Davenport, California USA
After your conversation in our pits about new riders not getting their suspension set right away, I wanted to share my experience.
I started riding in the novice group 2 months ago and didn't think I needed to have my suspension adjusted by you because I was just learning my motorcycle and the track.
I ride an Aprilia RSV4 RR and believed that the stock setup should be fine for my level of skill. After riding 2 sessions I decided to have you make some adjustments so I could see if there was a difference.
I had no idea that suspension tuning would change so much and make my track day so much more fun. The bike turned in better, hugged the track, and powered out of corners in a completely more predictable and comfortable manner. It felt so much better that I moved up from C to B group that day and am now running A group after about 6 track days total.
The only way to describe how suspension tuning has affected my riding is to talk about a leather racing suit that I got for free that was a little too tight. I didn't know any better, but it was restricting my movement on the bike, not letting me shift my weight easily, inhibiting my ability to turn into corners, and was unsafe to wear because the suit was not adjusted properly to fit me.
Getting my suspension tuned by you felt like when I bought a racing suit that was designed to fit me perfectly. It moved how I needed to move, didn't fight me in the corners, and let the bike move how it was supposed to on the racetrack.
DO NOT assume that your bike is set up "good enough".
I've followed bikes with weak setups and have video showing one rider run off the track and another slide out in front of me when you can see it was the bike bouncing in a corner instead of smoothly hugging the track like my bike does. Like a racing suit, your bike needs to fit YOU properly. Use the tools available to maximize your fun!
1-1 Coaching on track Thunderhill, July 2019
I wanted to thank you for the time you took for our 1:1 coaching at Thunderhill West this past weekend.
Having the debrief and commentary on the videos has given me a much better look at riding more efficient tighter lines to set up for the fastest part of the track. I was definitely missing the key component of using the slowest part of the corner to use more speed exiting and setting up for the areas I was losing time on the laps.
I see that I'm hanging on to the turn past the apex because of trying to rush the corner and being off line for the exits and next part.
I will be reviewing the videos several more time and was thinking that I am wearing out my rear tire significantly faster due to this desire to carry too much speed where I actually should be more conscious of getting the bike turned and pointed. I'll be in a much better position for my next visit to Thunderhill next month and appreciate you and the teaching you provided.
THANK YOU DAVE!
Chummy Fernando, California USA
Sending you a follow-up email from the work we did on my RSV4 earlier this month at Thill along with a picture.
First off I wanted to thank you again for the work we did on my RSV4. I felt so much more confident and comfortable from the very first session after your adjustments. I dropped 6 seconds from my previous times around Thill West 4 weeks earlier.
I put this down to significantly improved stability which allowed me to actually push harder. Previously the bike was getting really unstable going into turn 1 and going over the concrete triangle. It also turned so much better mid-corner, I was really able to put the bike where I wanted and get better drive exiting.
It looks like my next time out will be a few days at The Ridge then Thill East. It would be great if you could set me up with a test plan to evaluate the settings for those longer more aggressive tracks as discussed.
We were also talking about my Rylo 360 camera, which allows for some cool videos. Here is an example of a 360 video reframed to a flat video. With a different mounting point you can really capture what is going on with the rider or easily keep another rider in-frame.
Hi Dave just a quick thank you message.
I have recently just seen your vids on you tube and wanted to say thank you for making them.
You have an exemplary amount of knowledge on motorbike set up and when I eventually get my bike back on the road I will remind myself to watch your videos.
A JOY TO WATCH A MASTER MAKING IT LOOK EASY.
Kris Giebens, Belgium
Wauw, I’ve been riding about 2 weeks now with your recommended suspension settings and the difference is profound. The bike feels much more balanced, much easier to steer into a corner and holds it’s line without any further input from my side beyond getting it on its initial lean angle 🙂 A huge improvement over the setting I was using before!
Very happy with the way everything is working now and looking forward to spring already for the next track season!
Many thanks again and have a great day,
David Smith, California USA
Good morning Dave,
My name is David and I met you last week at the Fun Track Dayz Laguna Seca ride. I had brought my old 99 CBR F4 with me and you were able to make it ride like a whole new bike with some adjustments. Just wanted to follow up and say thanks again for your help!
I am shopping for a replacement rear shock like you mentioned for the bike so hopefully by the next time we meet I won't have 20 year old suspension parts. Once I have the part I will contact Red Devil to have the suspension refreshed.
Thanks again, and have a great day!
Trevor Hill, Sacramento USA
I just wanted to thank you for the knowledge and the adjustments you made to my Diavel. It felt like a night and day difference with the 2 up riding and then when I rode solo! Amazing work you do!!
Gavin Soderholm, Enumclaw, Washington, USA
Hey Dave ,
Just wanted to give you a huge shout out my 2006 r6 that you tuned at Team BOC event at The Ridge in Shelton WA.
It's a night and day difference. I felt so planted after you tweaked it.
The round 3 was sort of depressing for me because no matter what I did, my best time was 2:18 which is not good. I had the turns I struggled in figured out, so they were not the cause. Depressive thoughts came since I estimated years of track days to even get on competitive novice level. Basically I needed a psych couch by Dave Moss trailer.
On Sunday at Motel 6 parking lot I met gentleman from Oregon who came for Cali Track $100 track day. We talked 2 hours bikes and I decided to stay. Best decision ever, since this track day turned into the best one ever.
In A group, track was less busy, and I started with goal of producing consistent lap times as Mike instructed me. By session two, I was doing 2:18-19 4 four laps in a row.
I was thinking of the next step, objective, and recalled you mentioned next one on one would be about acceleration out of corners. I set a goal of starting to accelerate immediately at Apex, either wot since bike is less hp, or bit less depending on variables. What a change that brought. Turn 3, I started taking much faster, you are right, it sticks! Lol But more importantly, for the rest of day, I was making 2:13-15 times consistently, felt like I was on top of the game, passing big bikes etc. What a huge result done by relatively small change in my riding!
Andi Cray, Hockenhiem Germany
I bottomed the front at the first turn in Hockenheim. More preload and compression?
Everybody here is telling me only more compression. 🤷♂️ Rather stick with your advise, worked perfect before. 😉
This one is for you. My first trophy.
Brian Busch, Denmark
First got to say, I love your theoretical and nicely explained videos!
Fairly new on the track, and been there only 5 times. 4 times on a Yamaha R1 RN12, but yesterday on my new bike, a Honda CBR1000RR SC59.
What a change and joy, but I think mostly because of your great guidance! I took some time to adjust the suspension before going to the track, and the rear tire had no flat spots 😉
Absolutely love the easy understanding explanation on the videos. Perfectly understandable fore a nerd like me 🤓
Josef Meinzer, Sacramento California
I was the guy with the 2005 GSXR1000 that you tuned at cycle gear Sacramento a few weeks ago, with the trampoline rear shock settings? It feels incredible now, it settles into your line and just carves...feels much more natural to corner than before.
Mark Howell, California USA
I first met Dave around 2007 when I first started Wera Racing on a 2006 CBR 600RR. He tuned my bike the first year and in subsequent years if he was at a track day or race I would have him tune my bike. The bike always felt more comfortable or tire wear improved after changes he made. Dave’s knowledge of riding techniques, suspension tuning, and tire set-up helped me in too many ways to explain. After going back to graduate school, I rode very sporadically.
I recently bought a 2005 Kawasaki ZX-10. I haven’t owned a 1000 that I’ve taken to the track since 2005 so was a bit leery about taking it to Buttonwillow. The track day ended up being wet in the morning and dry in the afternoon, it was tricky. Dave tuned the suspension and tire pressures throughout the day. Every time Dave made changes the bike felt more confidence inspiring, on the brakes, mid-corner and on the gas. He even spotted early signs of cold tearing preventing increased tire wear.
I can’t say enough about Dave’s knowledge and expertise with suspension as well as riding technique. If you’re looking to improve your understanding of either of those, it’s time well spent.
Mark H. 2019
Tony Bennigton, Olympia, USA
Dave I don't even know where to start.
Thank you for spending so much time with me on the BMW at WMRRA round 3. I was educated, encouraged and my bike worked fantastic.
We took home the win!
Hope to see you again in the future, and thank you again.
Craig Morton, Tennessee, USA
I subscribed to your website last year for the 1st time and all year the videos, information, and ease of use of site, never let me down.
I renewed my membership a couple weeks ago, to give back, for the info, and mainly because what you are doing helps out so many riders, myself included, frequently!!!
Yeah, anyone could just read about this stuff or pay someone to take care of it for them, and never grow as track/race rider. But the way you do it, explaining things how you do and present the importance, draws riders in, teaches, and keeps us safer for it.
People talk about being one with there motorcycle and I believe understanding the suspension is a huge part of becoming one with the bike, and I just wanna say thank you from the east coast, for everything you and Mr Williams do!!! I assure you I will be a life long follower of you's guy's platform!!!!👍
Colin Nash, New Zealand
Dave Moss' Tuning guidance revolutionized the ride & handling of my ZXR C, on which I do about 8,000km each Southern Summer in New Zealand. The online learning resources are comprehensive & Dave is brought to NZ each year by ACC to coach at Shiny Side Up events & the Burt Munro Challenge. Highly recommended 🏍👍😎"
Arran Heptonstall, Great Britain
Hi Dave, it's Arran from the UK with the R1 which had issues cornering.
Bike is now handling great. I found o/s fork 2 mm higher in the yoke clamp and carried out your settings and the bike now glides round corners rather than feeling like its pushing out.
The rear has been a transformation as well with acceleration it now responding quicker and wanting to raise the front.
Currently at the isle of man tt but weather here is awful. Been over the mountain a few times and just full of smiles.... Thanks again
Jan Zapach, Czech Republic
First of all I want to thank you for all your input and advice.
I could not find stiff enough springs so I had a pair made by local factory. It works so great right now. I am roughly 3-4 cm less of fork travel right now, not bottoming at all. Direction changes, rotations, turns etc. it is much more fun. Even harder braking is great at the front.Yet, my damping setup is almost the same, almost all the way closed. Revalving, then. Much painful problem is the rear end. I switched to better carburetor, it offers me great acceleration. Even sportbikes won't lose me. On the other hand I get to slightly higher speeds, I can do more of a Stop-and-go style of riding.
Front is great with harder braking but I can feel the rear is loose. Under acceleration, there is a feeling the rear collapses. I have a feeling (more than a feeling, tbh) my rear tire is wearing down faster than it should.
Even stiffer spring than I already have.
Similar damping setup, almost closed down.
The issue here is the most important race of this year, European Championship in France. I secured second place for myself!!!!!!!
It would not be possible without your help and all the information you provided!
During this past winter I took a stock 2010 ducati 1198 and prepped it for racing. Having almost no idea what I was doing, someone led me to Dave moss.
I contacted him and took his advice on how to set my suspension up. He told me what to buy and what to not waste my money on.
After everything was installed I contacted him again and he gave me exact rebound and compression for the bike based on my weight and skill level.
The bike rode amazing!
I continue to use Dave for any suspension questions and needs. I would highly recommend him if you’re in need of a knowledge person to get you set up and riding your bike to it’s full potential.
Matthew Kim, California USA
Thank you again for helping me with my suspension adjustments today. After riding home, especially through the worst roads on my usual trip home, I think the ride is definitely tolerable, and once I get up to higher speeds or more aggressive cornering, this bike is night and day different!
The bike feels like it’s on rails, and the front wheel feels so much more stable. I feel like you’ve really unlocked a lot more of the potential from the great suspension I have on my bike, and I feel like I have a perfect foundation for experimenting with adjustments in the future, once I’ve got a few hundred miles on this setup.
Thank you again for your time and assistance twice now this week 😅
This is the stuff I sub for!
I appreciate so much that you are teaching the how and why and when of suspension geometry, components and setup. It's abundantly clear that in order to get the most from our bikes, we need to know how to listen to the feedback it gives us, depending on conditions (temperature, load, road surface), our ability, and how we're riding.
Of course, I can't say that I know much, but I've gained enough to dramatically improve the stability of my bikes which has done a *ton* to improve my confidence and reduce the fatigue from getting beat up by the road. I also feel much safer, knowing that any given high speed bump isn't going to deflect the front, or catapult me off the rear.
Thank you so much, Dave."
Bob Dutcher, White City, Oregon
So I thought I would do a back to back ride and give a first person review of a Dave Moss suspension adjustment. I grabbed one of my bikes that I figured would be a challenge to adjust. A 2012 Yamaha XT1200Z Super Tenere Worldcrosser with 21500 miles on stock suspension. I started by reading the manual and adjusting the bike to my weight. I then ran the bike up Tiller Hwy pushing the bike as hard as I dare before taking to Dave Moss for a $60 adjustment. It took Dave about 10 minutes to do and off I went back to Tiller Hwy
Pre Dave Moss
After 1 hour sore ass. Bike feels unstable both front and rear. Entry thru mid corner feels vague. Not conference inspiring at speed. Helmet is all over the place. Hard to get eyes to focus on road.Bike feels unstable under hard braking. Difficult to hold a line.
Post Dave MossNo more sore ass. Bike feels very stable. Able to carry more speed into corner. Able to change lines mid corner and pick the throttle up sooner on exit. Bike feels much better on rough pavement. Helmet is stable with much faster vision acquisition on lines as well as obstacles. The bike could be improved with aftermarket suspension upgrades but is acceptable for most riding conditions.
Was it worth $60. Hell yes. The bike is a blast to ride now. Would recommend to anyone looking to improve their skills
Sam Patil, Dehli, India
Remote Tuning Experience
When I heard that Dave Moss was coming to India with Atomic Motorsports, I decided that I’m going to get my suspension set up, As I was struggling with my new Yamaha R1. I had seen a lot of his videos and was convinced he would come up with a solution.
When I first saw him set up a bike, it blew my mind, checked geometry, suspension etc in just about 2 minutes.
Asked a few questions based on it and set the bike up.
When he was done, he showed how the front and the rear compress together and that the balance was achieved. I was comfortable right away and had decent pace.
Throughout the trackday, he checked the tyres and made a few adjustments. Finally we got the perfect setup and noted it down.
He suggested a few geometry changes to my clipons and master cylinder which I did after the trackday. That helped too.
Also, he is always ready to help online. I’m attaching a photo of my tyres. Note that these tyres were used for 8 whole sessions - About 3 hours of track time in the super hot temperatures of around 44-45 degrees celsius!
Eric Lyublinsky, Orlando, Florida, USA
Re: Requesting a Remote Tuning session on my 2018 RSV4 RR
I had a great 70 mile ride on Saturday and I’m very happy with the compliance of the bike.
So here is where I ended up with. I nailed 36mm of rear sag perfectly even when I go the bike hot after riding it I was still a 36mm, I ended up keeping rebound and compression on the stock settings felt good, I tried slowing up the rebound (Turn 2clicks clockwise) but it did not feel right. Also Shock compression was two turns out from closed felt fine.
The front was the surprise, I know it felt stiff, before doing sag I just speed up the Rebound by one click out it helped making the bike smoother while doing highway speeds (kind of to not skip the wheel on the road). Stock fork setting was 5 turns in on preload, to get to near 40mm of rider sag (never got exactly 40 more like 38ish), I ended up with only 1 turn in for preload and that had me worried but after reading a few source ideally you don’t want more then 1 or 2 turns in on preload because that indicates that the springs is matched for your rider weight.
I attached a picture of the zip tie for reference after a my 70 mile ride. On the hydraulics I ended at 9 click out from full hard on Rebound (stock base setting), I’m still kind of wrapping my head around the movement of the front end now, especially under braking. I felt I wanted a little more brake support so I ended at 5 clicks in vs 6 clicks in stock compression. I tried 4 clicks in but at lower speed felt a bit bumpy on the front end.
So after doing all this, well I feel like I learned a lot and after my ride I felt fresh with no soreness, cramps, or pain in my palms. I felt I was riding the bike more loosely and working with it instead trying to hold on and take the abuse. The best thing I can say about the adjustments it is now the front end communicates much better so much so I know if I need to get my rear off the seat sooner through the bars what the front wheel is doing.
It is much more confidence inspiring.
Also the bike seems to want to keep its front wheel down better under hard acceleration and when it comes up is very gradual and controlled it really allows me to pin the throttle and does not require the precise throttle inputs anymore and again allows me to flow with the bike. Also the quick shifter is smoother on upshifts.
Guilherme Elcadi, Gavle, Sweden
Thank you very much indeed! I really appreciate your help and expertise via remote tuning. Thank you for all the information it is fantastic, now I'll have the bike working as it should, now it is up to me to make it behave properly.
All the best, Guilherme Elcadi
David Cook, Cincinnati USA
I just received a suspension tuning from Dave on my Ducati 959 Panigale via skype! What a great experience!! I learned so much and was more than happy to pay the bill.
Next step, get out and ride!!
Anton Belichev, remote tuning experience.
I ride a 2012 CBR1000RR. My bike has previously been set up by Dave and for my level of riding (B group) does outstanding.
This weekend however, I rode in an environment that I wasn't used to:- cold track and cold temperatures. I run tire warmers and I was seeing my tire pressures drop by the end of the session. Dave wasn't at this track event, so I reached out to him for remote tuning assistance.
This is something Ive never done before, but Dave made it really easy by giving me clear instructions on what information he needed.
First thing he did was ensure that my tire warmers were working correctly. After a session, I sent Dave pictures of the tires, tire pressures at the start and finish, tire temperatures, and track temperature. I was instructed on the exact changes I needed to make to the bike. After the changes I went out on the track again and right away felt the improvement in the way my bike responded. I then followed up with Dave on the results of the changes.
This experience made my weekend! I was able to enjoy my time at the track and not worry about my setup. I cant thank Dave enough for this and I would definitely resort to remote tuning again if needed.
Lindsay Potter, Great Britain
Quick update...I have been out on the bike 4 times now & it feels great...the ride is a lot plusher and holds a line really well.
I know at the beginning of conversation I mentioned going for a 200/60 tyre but I have had a rethink & ordered a set of Bridgestone S22's although I didn't like the hard carcass of the RS10 I feel a road basis tyre might be worth a try given the roads I ride.
Once I have got miles on the S22's I will pay again and send some pics for your advice, make any changes you advise then go for a remote tuning. Thanks again for you help.
John VanGrunsven, Pennsylvania, USA
Still winter here in Canada...about 1-2 weeks away from riding season. I spent the winter watching ‘every’ video on the site. With my stack of notes I have so much more knowledge and am ready to use it this track season.
I will be doing a fork oil change on my ‘12 GSXR 600 track bike as soon as the special tools arrive.
I am having a lot of fun working on my own , ‘trash or treasure ‘ SV650. I have rebuilt the front suspension with your help and transformed the front brakes with an Accossato Master, SS lines, 929 Nissin Calipers with new seals and new Galfer Sintered pads. Really looking forward to riding it!
BUT I’m really excited to focus on the tire wear and tire pressure with suspension tweaks at the racetrack.
All three of my track ‘crew’ have subscribed to your website and the knowledge I have compared to last year is shocking. I am determined to get a nice , ‘sandy beach’ this year.
Thank you so much for creating your platform it has really broadened my overall understanding on the motorcycle.
How are you? Hope you are doing well. In Czech slowly starting the season, so finally have bike home from the dealer and made first ride. What a machine. I love that bike sooo much.
The setup from you works perfectly on braking (no diving), it sticks on bumps amazingly, but as the roads here has lots of wholes and are not so narrow I am facing to too many shocks. I did not try the original setup and my dealer told me, that this is very non-standard (the service guy is ex-racer) and have never seen this.
I would like to ask, if there is any tip for soften setup.
Thank you for your help. My thoughts are, that setup is very racing like, but I am beginner on standard streets.
Dale Bolton, Charlotte, North Caroline USA
I had a chance to ride today,. And I must say, it's night and day difference, the bike feels great!
All this time I've been riding my bike all wrong. It hits the curves much better than before, the only problem I'm having now, the rear shock seems stiff, the bumps are even rougher now. I think I need to try to set the sag on it, but other than that I'm very satisfied with these settings.. thank you so much!
Andy Cray, Germany.
Greetings from Germany and thanks again for your great work! I hope you put out a book or DVD some day.
I'm racing an bone stock 2010 R6 this year. I weigh 75 kilo without gear. After watching your R6 setting sag clip I put the rear ramp adjuster on 5 and 3 turns of preload on the fork. Zip tie is now on the tube too.
Before watching your videos
And after. street only yet. Michelin Power RS, R6 RJ15
Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Oscar Varghese, Bahrain
Good day Dave!
Hope all is well.. the suspension work you suggested sorted the sliding a lot.
I’m going to attach some pics of my tyres for you to assess. Just to get a feedback. A lot of people suggesting different suspension mods. But I prefer hearing the truth from the guru! Do let me know. Thanks!
Randall Kimble, Germany
The tires are fine as I performed the test you mentioned. After making the adjustments you suggested the bike has completely transformed into a laser! This is exactly what I was looking for.
Your advice was crucial to getting my bike set up correctly and it is now up to me to stay ahead of my skill with Suspension tuning and I will be watching and learning from your videos!!
Kay Vetter, Nevada, USA
Great to see you again even if you prolly don't remember me since the last time I did a track day was 5 or 6 years ago but you can't imagine how happy I was to see your trailer! As I get older I'm finally appreciating all the things I don't know and I'm a slow learner.
So, Hyper springs... I had a 450 lb/in in there and it turns out it was at 3.9" installed length or 1.1" preload which is 25.5mm vs the 8 you recommended! that tool over 10 full turns on the ring nut- yikes. That's what it took to get 40mm rider sag. The rear total travel is advertised at 150mm and 25% of that is 37.5mm. I'm not sure how important that is but with the current ride height it handles very good and I think I should preserve that?!
I just installed the 500 lb spring and with 8mm spring compression at full drop the rider sag becomes 60mm.
That is 20mm less rear ride height and I think I would want to preserver that to get the same geometry. I can achieve that with adjusting the ride height adjuster or adding more spring preload. I'm not sure that I can get 20mm out of the ride height along but I'll try...
My shock has a ride height adjuster which is a giant heim joint. I measured it previously and it has 14 turns of max engagement so I'm assuming I can go 7 turns out max for safety and keep 7 turns in the shock... do you agree with that?
I was at 3 turns out and now with 7 turns out the rider sag is just over 50mm, so 10 more that before. I'm happy to say that the static sag with no wider is about 15mm right now. So long story short, I have the 500lb spring in, 8mm of static sag and 50mm rider sag, only problem ins I's like 40mm rider sag. I can do one of 5 things-
a) leave it alone
b) lower the front more
c) add rear spring preload
d) reduce the heim engagement another turn or two
or e) get a heavier spring.
I actually used to have a 550 spring but it felt so stiff that I sold it, I wish I had it now to at least try it 🙂
I may be at the April 15 Fun Track Dayz if I can swing it, looking forward to learning a little more.
Peter Rae, New Zealand
It was great to meet you on the weekend at Hampton downs raceway.
Watching you working with Dillon Telford & then seeing the difference in the way the bike handled after your advice was awesome It certainly gave our team a lift we needed. Hope to see you again at Manfield!
Steve Salter, Adelaide, Australia
Settings applied that you suggested.
I have not ridden anything as composed between Lobethal and Basket Range in thirty years of riding. Look forward to catching up next time you’re in Adelaide. If you need anything set up please let me know.
Martijn van Maanen, Netherlands
I have another bike, an 09 Yamaha R6.
I watched your videos about adjusting sag and adjusting rebound, compression etc a thousand times. I adjusted the bike when I press down on the seat front and rear will go up and down evenly.
I rode the bike today and it is a huge difference the bike handles much better and in corners it is just so much more relaxed.
So thank you for that you inspire a lot of people!
Grant Freeman, Christchurch, New Zealand
Before I met Dave Moss in Nelson, New Zealand, my 2000 VTR1000SP1 (on standard suspension settings) was very harsh.
After I applied the new settings recommended by Dave, I was truly astounded at the difference it made.
The bike is now compliant and a pleasure ride and after raising the forks by 5mm, as recommended by Dave, it now steers like a bike half it's size.
Steve Juhasz, Adelaide, South Australia.
G'day Dave ,
Thanks again for your help on the weekend , added another dimension to the coaching days We had a brief conversation about how to deal with slowing reflexes as we get older and adapting riding style to suit. Would you consider this as a topic for DMT?
There are a lot of us senior but not yet senile folk who enjoy having a crack on the track and road but need to adapt to changes in physical ability.
Video would be an excellent aid . I’m sure there are many out there who notice the changes but don’t know how to adapt
Thank you also for your wealth of knowledge , probably saved a season of trial and error
The discussion on the drive home from Mac Park with Aaron, 1098 Bayliss was the improvement in the bikes and The Bullshit Stops when Dave looks at the tyres . He knows exactly what you and the bike are doing .
Thanks again mate , Steve j
Matt Richards, Christchurch, New Zealand.
Thanks so much for last night's suspension tuning ride.
Gave the bike a bit of a blast on the way home. Feels very neutral now and I don’t have to fight with it so much. Will let you know how the track goes in a couple of months.
Once again thanks very much!
Richard “Fly” Wills, Melbourne Australia
Thanks so much for working with me on the Nuda as is now super stable and confidence inspiring. Also I’m only about 8 days out from Tasmania ride on the SP and it’s feeling better after your touches!
Michael Vella, Adelaide, Australia
I just returned from the Levi Day track days in Mount Gambier. What an experience.
Had the opportunity to work with Dave on my 2016 GSXR1000 Track bike. Over the two days, Dave set up my suspension and continually monitored it's performance from my feedback. Dave takes the time to explain in detail why he is adjusting things and what to look at for in the future. Great learning experience.
Suddenly a 200HP out of control machine was now a completely different bike in a short period of time.
Reduced lap times by 15 seconds and feeling in control by the second day. Also advice was plentiful about rear sets, levers, riding position, tyre pressures etc.
The best money I have ever spent on a motorbike.
Thank you so much Dave and I look forward to seeing you next year at Mac Park. Cheers Michael
JB, Sydney, Australia
I’m a firm believer that it is great to have things adjusted properly, but it is even more important to be able to understand the different adjustments and learn how to use them. Dave Moss has helped and guided me through this process with continuous support and his amazing availability to share his world of knowledge about suspension, tyres, bike set up, etc via his remote coaching programme.
In my case, I set out to get my track bike (sorry my near 20 year old bike, still equipped with the stock OEM suspension, that I use for track riding only) to handle to the best of its capabilities hence ensuring that the bike is not stopping me as rider from learning and evolving my skill set.
The differences are real and noticeable, and it is amazing how Dave’s patience to go through my countless e-mails, have helped me turn my old lady into a bike that still pulls its weight around the local track.
I’ve essentially gone from a bulky heavy bike, that was difficult to turn, into a much nicer, smoother, easier to turn motorcycle, that gives me the confidence to keep up with more recent, powerful, electronic filled motorcycles out there.
Thank you Dave, for helping me keep the bike “ahead of me”.
All the best!!!
Lyn Darkes, UK
After doing 40-50 miles this morning I can confirm your settings are damn near perfect for me!
After setting the front preload last week I never got round to setting the rear properly and left it at 4 notches and 40mm sag and asked for your advice (thinking another 1 notch may improve things). Your settings suggested 3 further notches and I think that's what has made the difference.
It no longer feels nervous on the front and feels much more planted in the turn (It never felt nervous before on the original factory settings but when I set the front it did) I noticed when I got out on it after adjusting the front but being a new bike I thought it was the fact I had maybe not noticed it on my first few rides.
This morning it instantly felt more neutral and I felt like I could push it harder in the turns and was able to roll it over the tyre without trying. Testament to the fact is my chicken strips are almost gone!!
Jose Luis Mendoza, Monterrey, Mexico
Hello Mr Dave...
First want to thank you for your help with remote tuning...
We won the championship!!!!
I d like to come to one of your classes.
Please let me know your schedule and I will make arrangements to attend...
Lance Doole, New Zealand
I'd like to say a huge thank you to Dave for his time and sound advice along with numerous videos detailing how to address my suspensions issues. Following a simple (dump and run) as he called it, my forks were running fresh oil and ready for his recommended suspension settings.
After a track day Manfeild track NZ, I noticed my bikes handling and tyre wear was better than I'd actually ever experienced it to be to date!!!
Huge respect for Dave's help with recommendations, along with a video's detailing every step in the process making it so easy!!!
JK Championships, Buddh Circuit, Delhi India
The annual Indian Superbike Championship is a very, very tightly contested event with extremely talented riders. To win you must be completely fit, ready for the race and have your bike correctly prepared.
On the Atomic motorsports event a couple of weeks prior, I dialed in Gurvinder's GSX1000R and Deepak's BMW S1000RR so they were both ready.
Ducati India approached both riders a week prior to the event with V4's and I was already leaving for the US. So, it was time to get to work via the DMT remote tuning options with both riders. I gave Gurvinder a test plan for his V4S and Poncho from Atomic Motorsports worked with Deepak via settings I supplied. After reviewing tire pictures, more changes were suggested and then it was time to race. Congratulations to Gurvinder for the overall #1 plate and status as National Champion over both races and to Deepak for an overall 3rd place.
Remote tuning with DMT works....
Deepak, Delhi India
OMG. You are a master of masters. Today's victory at the JK India Superbike Championship is because of you. My lap time I wanted to do is a 1.56 but with good fitness I will do it. Thank you!
NOTE: Deepak ended up 3rd overall.
Gurvinder, Delhi India
I won the JK India Superbike Championship! Without you this might have not been possible. Thank you for all your help!
Just a thank you message more than anything. After posting a photo of my tyre (left side picture) and the feedback from Dave I acted on it. The result from my next trackday was far better, still a little tweaking to go - but vastly improved!!!!!
Rishi Agarwal, Bengaluru, India
My name is Rishi Agarwal. I attended your seminar in Bangalore and the session in Chennai. I was riding the Aprilia RSV4 RR. I just wanted to write to you and say thank you for your time and effort!
I had a truly eye opening experience understanding how so many different components work. Motorcycling culture is in its infancy in India and not too many of us understand the how’s and why’s of the way things work. When I heard that you were coming to India my jaw dropped because we don’t get too many opportunities like this here.
My bike is fully stock and has just turned one year old. I’m super excited to have my suspension serviced after putting in 1.05 rating springs in the front along with 10W oil. I will try and find some way of servicing the rear as well. I just hope I am able to achieve the same settings again.
If there’s one thing you’ve taught me, its “why they heck wont you just try and see what works”. I think I’ve been afraid to work with suspension thus far for lack of knowledge (or more honestly for being too lazy to learn).
Thanks for helping me with that PB lap (I know there was at least another second in those laps)!!!!!
It definitely improved the handling on the bike. I really like how, even when doing in-person tuning, you don't just do some magic and then send the person back out. You provide insight into what the changes should do, and what the rider should be paying attention to.
Specifically with this test plan it was great to feel each step by step change, and how it changed the characteristics of the bike.
I was recently out at Streets of Willows, which has to be the roughest track I've ever ridden. The bike dealt with it well and I felt stable which really improved my confidence.
I didn't end up buying my on-track pictures from that weekend out at Thunderhill when I was running your test plan, but here is a picture of me at Thill a different weekend.
Brian Deleon USA
Thank you Dave for tuning my suspension, it handles like a dream.
A lot of feed back from the front ends trail brakes like no other just have to point my head and it goes. I really enjoy my bike now!! cheers
John VanGrunsven, Perth, Ontario, Canada
Thanks to Dave Moss and his 'Tuning' website with instructional videos I have graduated from setting preload, compression and rebound dampening to breaking down my first fork.
Dave's video's are informative, educational and are produced with professional quality and move at an excellent pace.
With the assistance of Dave's video I have disassembled the forks on my SV650S and replaced the seals, spring, and oil all with confidence! I am now one of those guys who can do 'fork work' now...can't wait to broaden my knowledge.
Dick Burdick, USA
I wanted to thank you for the settings that you gave me. I had Sport Rider magazine's settings before,and your settings were far better! I felt the better balance right away. Also, normal tire wear.
First time in racer practice at Loudon since 1990. Held my own in expert class,faster all day.
Dominic Veasey, England, UK
I come from a long family history of racers. My dad was a very good classic racer and even has high lights of racing in the first world super bike races. You would think I was a natural racer. Well I wasn’t. I did not come naturally to me. I had to work hard on my self and my riding.
I’ve been racing now 6 years. Hitting lines and apex’s was fine. It was that I was quite sensitive to the bike. I could feel things weren’t right with the handling of the bike and I couldn’t push to go faster. I didn’t have the knowledge of what to do so I would just go out and try things write every change down to get a feeling of how does that feel if I go hard all the way then softer the other way. My friends laugh at me as I have a suit case full of 6 yrs of data wrote down.
My dad found Dave this year on YouTube told me to sit and watch him. So I did. I wasn’t too far out on my sag suspension as I always had my shock and suspension serviced every year and they helped me with a good base setting. But....
Watching Dave’s rebound videos and his tyres wear ones too - they helped so much. So much so I went out and bought new tyre gauge, tyre probe and new tyre warmers.
Watch the videos - you will be amazed to the fact "Are your tyres actually being heated up to the right temp?"
Breaking down corners in to the 3 parts was a big help.
Well, going out in practice gave me points to think about and then when I came in I made the changes I needed to make and in practice I was normally only 2 secs of my race PB. So come qualifying I could get even closer to my PB and by first race I would smashed my PB.
Enough said really. Watch the videos and if you are lucky to live close to Dave, get some one on one.
Thanks again Dave.
Facebook: Veasey racing
Atıl Taspinar, Turkey, Istanbul
Meeting with and expert or a boss “Dave Moss”...
As I decided to buy my first bike (NC750X) in 2015 i had no idea about motorbikes and the mechanic about them. After I have changed my bike to 2017 Africa Twin,explored that there are lots of options needs tuning for suspension. I had no idea about any of them and there aren’t any service or mechanic that I know to get help.
Incidentally, I met guys in a shop (Rapi Online Motorcycle Garage) who are also RoSPA examiners:- Sertan Karamollaoğlu and Tugrul Sozeri. Great guys,they are not only businessmen, they are mechanic, salesman and also teachers. After few visits we have been good friends.
Last year in August, Sertan announced that there will be a seminar about suspension and a guy will come from U.S called Dave Moss. I had no idea about suspension and tuning boss Dave Moss. But I thought that I have to join this seminar, because I am 250lbs and 6’6” and I was feeling that my bike’s springs are so soft on the pavement. Also when I was riding with my pillion the geometry of bike was like front is up and rear was down. The feeling was very light on handlebar.
The seminar was very useful.
First of all we have learned that ever bike must be tuned according to the rider.And every time you must change the preload and tyre pressure according to the weight on the bike because Factories fix the bikes according to a regular rider who is 150lbs and 6’ tall. Also the tyres are the same.
After the seminar Dave checked all the bikes and there were really interesting results. For example my bikes stock forks were tuned completely different than each other and my stock rear spring was softer than it must be.
Dave tuned my bike and advised me to change the spring sets (front&rear) with hard heavy duty ones. After he tuned my preload,comp. and rebounds
The bike changed character. I was more confident in the corners and on brakes.
Sertan ordered me new spring set from Hyperpro +20mm and Tugrul replaced them and also tuned up.
This August 2018 Dave Moss came to Istanbul for another seminar and also this year there was an option that he will make fine tuning several times according to riders wish on the road conditions during a ride. After every ride which is 25-30 km long, Dave asked us how we feel and what we wish or need. It was 3-4 hours for each rider to find the correct tuning for him.
It was an awesome day to discover yourself and your bikes limits.
The bike’s character is changed like Dr.Jekyll and Mr.Hyde before and after the tuning. I feel more confident and have more fun of my bike now.
Thanks to Dave Moss “the Boss” and also thanks to Sertan Karamollaoğlu and Tugrul Sozeri,RAPI GARAGE...
Mehmet Girgin, Istanbul, Turkey
The seminar was very useful. Personally I recommend that seminar to all motorcycle users, and especially the Africa Twin owners. I understand that setting up our bike for ourselves is one of the most important details that we neglect.
After my bike is set up most of the problems that I and other Adventure Touring (AT) riders has been solved. One of our friends is preparing summary notes for that seminar to be published in our 6.000 people AT group.
Thanks to everyone that contributed to that seminar.
Sertan Karamolloaglu, Istanbul, Turkey
After Dave’s seminars and suspension tuning sessions on local roads, all of us are much more confident on our bikes and also happier with its performance, grip and comfort.
There is too much to learn for a biker and the time we’ve spent with Dave was very helpful for understanding that. Within one weekend we understood how ergonomics and geometry changes our riding, and how to adjust our suspension according to changing environment and riding style. There are still lots of things to understand so we are looking forward to see Dave again in Turkey.
Until then I’ll follow the DMT channel and will make few Skype sessions to learn more and more.
Thanks again Dave for all your contributions to our rides.
Carlos Hackmann, Brazil
Before I met Dave Moss and started to study his content, my motorcycle had a poor set up. Rebound, compression and preload was way off. The ride experience was poor and unsafe. My bike was always trying to run wide on corners. Tire wear was pretty bad too.
Now, after a proper setup provided remotely by Dave, the ride experience is excellent. Its like having a new bike. Now I have confidence enough to improve my riding skills.
Eric Owens, Sacramento, California
Thanks for the suspension tune!
She is handling great. Put in some work on a set of Q3s yesterday. Thanks to you bike is holding a way tighter line.
Daniel Kupfer, Mexico City, Mexico
I did the adjustments and the bike feels MUCH better!!
So, in the front. I'm at 4 in in preload instead of 10 (stock 5) that left me with 35mm of SAG:
- 4 out rebound
- 5 out compression
For more front feel I will be trying in a progressive way 4-3-2-1 with the rebound setting.
In the rear I'm at min preload and 3 out compression which gives me 40mm of SAG.
Thank you very much Dave! Please send the PayPal invoice.
Stefan Heindl, Bavaria, Germany
Hello Dave, how are you ?
My name is Stefan. I am 37 years old and I live in Germany (Bavaria).
I have been riding a Suzuki Gsxr 1000 K6 for almost 12 years now and in the past 3 years I started to learn more about suspension setup and settings and tyre wear.
I have experimented with different setups to see how it works and to get a better feeling for my bike. I watched some Youtube Videos from Dave Moss as well to learn more about it !
This year I have replaced both tyres with a Conti Sport Attack 3 which is a really great street tyre. After riding a couple of kilometres I could see that something was strange with my rear tyre wear.
It seemed to be too rough, too much rubber balls and later cracks on the surface and it looked for me like a hot or cold tear (I thought first).
So I tried different pressure- and shock setups but nothing really worked !! I only ride on the street and I have never had the problem before with different street tyres!
I don´t really have the experience to decide what caused this wear. That´s the reason why I got in contact with Dave. I told him about my problem and sent him a few pictures of my tyre wear!
Anyway, Dave replied very quickly and told me that this wear is caused by a wrong geometry where the surface of the tyre is overheating because I changed my tyre size from standard 190/50 to 190/55.
It was really interesting for me because I rode different tyres before with size 190/55 and I couldn`t see that problem on the rear tyre but the compound of the Sport Attack 3 showed me that!
So on my bike it’s a bit difficult to change shock preload (not enough space to work on it) so I changed back to standard tyre size 190/50!
After a few hundreds of kilometres and lots of throttle outside corners the tyre wear looked great in my opinion and Dave also confirmed me that!!
So after all, Dave did an awesome job and gave me such amazing and useful information, I couldn`t believe that only a slightly bigger tyre could cause a wrong geometry and a poor wear!
And without Dave`s help, surely I would have experimented into the wrong direction!
Thanks a lot Dave for your support and your professional help!!
Arnold Praesent, Brno, Czech Republic
Dave Moss – Remote Suspension Tuning Summary in Austria/EU
and 19.09.2018 – Brno Curcuit Czech Republic
Arnold from Austria, Bike: 2017 Aprilia Tuono V4 RR
Track: Brno - CZ (MotoGP Track):
Getting help in finding good suspension setting for my bike and riding style
Improving the handling of the bike / getting more confidence in riding
Tire wear / duration of the tire was a big issue as well
Maybe some hints, tips and tricks about setting up the suspension
About the setup of the remote tuning:
I got in contact with Dave via email and asked for a remote tuning session for my Aprilia. I got within a couple of hours a feedback (mind the time shift of 9 hours to my local time). It was very uncomplicated to arrange the tuning, no up front payments needed – the topic was in focus not financials. Dave really took time to understand what I need and I expect from the tuning.
All current settings I have sent to Dave in front of the track day at Automotodrom Brno in Czech Republic with some pictures of the tire from my last track day at Slovakia Circuit in Slovakia.
He advised a set of adjustments I should try out and give feedback – that was a good way to overcome the time shift, because morning in US was already afternoon in EU, so most of the training sessions were already done.
After running all the settings I have sent to Dave for each setting my personal feedback and pictures of the tires via WhatsApp.
WhatsApp is the preferred way because phone calls are not that easy to do in such a noisy environment like sitting in the pit with a lot of track action ongoing. He proposed some adjustments to my favorite settings to improve tire wear and get me confident in the suspension.
being hard on gas my backhand was pumping especially at the uphill section at Brno before the start/finish line chicane.
after tighten/slowing up the rebound of the shock step by step it got better each time until it was perfect for me – not suffering in other sections.
after the tuning the tire wear pattern looked very good.
Front: after tuning
Back: after tuning
What did I learn?:
Don’t bet too much on the opinion of your pit colleagues because
They may have a different bike
The suspension may be different
They are using different tires
They may have a different weight as you have
Different riding style and skills
What is good for them does not mean its good for you as well!
Note everything you know, all settings, temperatures, measurements you are doing, more information leads to better understanding what’s ongoing and how to treat it. Just having a feeling and turning screws wild leads to nothing good.
Make also huge adjustment changes to really feel what’s the effect on it, getting better, getting worse – note directly after you hop off the bike what your thoughts are, the first impression is gone after a couple of minutes if you do not write it down.
Be careful with setting up the suspension, take time for it, adjust according the plan, no guessing and adjustments on feelings and believes, stay on the plan what you make before for not losing track and focus what you want to achieve.
Take the suspension as soft as possible which fits to your riding style – improvements in lap time needs to have some slight adjustments as well, also ambient and track temperatures are effecting suspension much more than expected.
Output what you can get from the remote tuning.
I gained great understanding of how to set up the suspension – knowledge transfer – Dave is very kind to share. All asked questions are answered sufficiently and as questions can be random verses well organized.
Also try “out of scope looking” settings – trust the great experience of Dave, maybe that’s a setting which fits you better than you expect – at least you learn a lot about your individual suspension and how it performs.
You will find well tuned suspension settings for your riding style and skills which you can gain trust in because you have a better understanding.
The tire wear was improving significantly in two directions – the wear pattern was improving much in the front and back (means grip) as well as the duration/life of the tire improved a lot (abrasion). Even when getting faster on the track the tire lasts longer. Just to illustrate what that means. Before the adjustments, a fresh – brand new tire was gone to 1/3 after 3 Stints (20min). After the tuning the tire looks pretty much new after 3 training sessions and a race at the end – I’m sure this tire lasts for at least 3-4 days now which is an increase of about 250-300% in duration with same or faster lap times!
At last a base setting you can start working on for each individual track you are at – with asking a lot of questions I gained a know-how of what to do next track day if something feels strange – only small adjustments are needed.
I can highly recommend having a session with Dave – best would be face to face but the remote tuning session worked better than my expectations. That’s because of the huge experience Dave has in this area.
As much information you can give to Dave, he can advise how to get you and the tires to be better. Making pictures, sending the settings you have done with the comment how it felt to you… what is getting better, what is getting worse etc…
One thing which could be improved is that Dave is asking more questions about the feeling of the bike – maybe that was not needed due to the notes I have written down.
Thomas Paul Busse, Germany
First I want to thank you for your effort to make all the videos. I watch them since about a year. Thanks for your recommended settings. My lap times and tires were now much better and smoother.
I was again on track last weekend. That was my absolute reference track. I smashed my time about to 2,5 Seconds
Matthew Testa, California USA
Just wanted to share this with you. I’ve sent a lot of time on your site and watching your premium content. And would just like to say thank you. I’ve been dropping time like crazy and finally have the bike setup near perfect.
As I’ve gained speed I’ve been able to add or remove clicks with confidence. As well moving from Track to Track being able to change my setup and still keep the bike happy.
I was able to do a personal best at Buttonwillow this weekend. 1:55 with traffic.
Again just a thank you for sharing great content your knowledge to the world. I’ve attached some pics of my nice beach looking tires 🙌🏼.
Joao Barroso Pereira, Sydney, Australia
So as I hoped, I had my track day this last Thursday, and I took a few notes and photos, which I’m hoping you can have a look and give me some pointers. The day was a bi shorter than I expected as there were fair few crashes and track time got reduced a bit (I ended up not having time for the last session of the day).
From the day, I can say that the bike turns in better and easier, I’d say that this is a result of dropping the front as discussed. Also the Michelin Power RS is much better that what I had before, and I never had any issues. Naturally I took my time getting up to speed to make sure that the tyres warmed up, especially considering that they were brand new and I don’t use warmers.
As for suspension I wanted to poke your brain a bit more as to if it is possible, but more importantly worthwhile (or just a waste of money) to upgrade my suspension, either by changing some, or all the internals of the forks, or changing the whole front end altogether. I suppose what I’m not sure about is “how bad” the forks are, and if the fork body (the black outer tube and the shinny inner tube) could work with different components, and (and this is a big and) if someone like me would really tell the difference?
Thank you so much for your comments and patience. You’ve really given me great help and guidance (seriously)!
Thank you Dave!!!
Tom Webster, UK
Hope your race weekend went well, and thank you for the test plan.
I followed it to the letter, reinstalling the 11nm springs in the forks. I went with my plan for the shock and increased the spring rate to a 10.5 from a 9.5. It was a gamble, but I'm pleased to say it worked. By the third session I settled with 5mm of preload, 12 clicks out rebound and 9 clicks out on the forks which were flush. I added the 2mm of ride height to the shock (299mm) 12 out on rebound, 11 out on compression with 12mm of preload.
Lap times with a full tank were 1.37's / 38's with a lot less rider fatigue. For qualifying I went out for 15mins with 8 liters of fuel and did a 1.35.028 which put our team second in class, and was my personal best!!!!! Happy days!! Tyre wear on the rear was perfect, but I think I missed on the front by a one psi as it showed signs of slight overheating.
The race the next day we ended up finishing the race in 4th place with 1 round to go and a close 3rd in the championship. Thanks again!!!
Fredrik Alkdal, California USA
Thanks so much for your help today, the bike felt amazing by the afternoon!
I didn't get a chance to connect with you before I had to leave, so I rode home on the track settings - lots of "feedback"!
These are the settings we ended up at, would you be able to give me some street settings based on these?
Front: REB: 14 clicks from hard COMP: 7 clocks from hard
Rear; REB: 11 clicks from hard COMP: 10 clicks from hard
Troy Cook Australia
I entered settings you gave me, including tyre pressure up to required psi.
As so as I started out of my main street onto the straightaway I knew it was different, as in softer and the bumps I usually felt were kinda no drama!
I headed for the place I usually ride, and to be honest I was looking for something to be not quite right etc lol considering what is was like before a stiff as a board in the front I felt everything in my wrists.
From where it was its a totally new bike to ride.
The zip tie was 30mm from the bottom casting so I just left it alone because it was so enjoyable to ride with let me tell you, like 99% full confidence in the front end which I never had (it was always twitchy and if you hit a bump mid corner you would **** your pants) but now it soaked it up no trouble so I'm really stoked Dave, truely.
Is it perfect, prob not but from where it was its 100% better. I'm a realist so I know it could prob be tweaked on more but for the moment with the roads iIride and my riding ability I'm calling it good for the next few rides until i get familiar with the new settings.
Once again Dave i thank you sincerely as your help is invaluable once again.
Thanks again mate, I'm one happy kangaroo
Just wanted to say thanks for working with me at Sears. I had a great time and the bike worked well (save for some for some issues with these basket case electrical systems).
My friend Ron (Hypermotard with the tired front forks) and I actually packed up and drove all night to Miller to get him racing with AHRMA on Saturday. One of his friends was complaining about a hard steering, chattering front end on his Buell. I put a zip tie on his fork and noticed that he was only using about 1/2 the travel. I backed out on the preload considerably and sped up rebound a touch. After his next session he came in with a big smile. "It's night and day! Feels like an SV! Much more confidence inspiring on corner entry".
Armed with the great knowledge you've provided, I was able to make his day much more enjoyable. Thanks again!
In two weekends with these tires I've got a set up that I'm comfortable and safe with. Best money I've spent on this bike along with the revalve and adding a tuned ECU that has sorted the awful low speed fueling these bikes have been known for.
I now have the "best streetbike in the world" that is actually the best. Comfortable, almost plush on the street and a laser on the track. With fueling control to match.
Thanks so much Dave.
I wanted to thank you for your setup/suspension settings for my 07' R6.
i had Sport Rider magazine's settings before, and yours were far better! I felt the difference straight away with the bike feeling much more balanced that gave me more confidence to push hard. Also, my tire wear was much improved.
So glad I reached out to you!
First time in racer practice at Loudon since 1990. Held my own in expert class,faster all day.
Jorge Barba, Reno USA
AS A ROADRACE MOTORCYCLE NEWBIE..
I started at California Superbike School. First track day, bought a 2013 salvage Daytona 675 within weeks and completed 8 full trackdays on Nov 19th.
I learned more from a half day private lesson from Dave Moss at $350 than from 2 days with CSS (this included his complete suspension set up of your bike).
I liked the fact that Moss's personalized teaching is derived from his lead follow video interpretation of your style. He adapts your particular "idiom" to the necessary series of events that MUST occur during your laps to increase speed and safety, while NOT enticing you to adopt difficult to attain body positions, lean angles, or "too fast too soon" issues.
This guy knows more about going fast than most, but tailors concepts of attaining speed to you and how you ride. I continue to reexamine that day's voice over video from Moss...when I feel as if I've cleared most of my beginner hurdles, I will repeat.
Neil O’Keefe, UK
No track days booked in the near future so...
Static sag hot - unknown will run hard on the road and report back.
Fork travel - unknown will run on road and replicate braking to best of abilities and report back. (Zip tie on the fork leg?)
Fork oil and fork height are factory.
As I'm in the UK and you're in California I guess a consultation session is tricky to arrange.
However, happy to pay for advice so far, as it is handling MUCH better than before using your fixed settings. I will try and get another day in this summer, and then maybe Almeria in the autumn.
Tom Gitto, San Francisco, USA
It was nice to finally meet you at Sonoma this past weekend. I appreciate the time you took to make the tweaks to my R6's suspension, but more importantly the education on WHY you made the changes you did and HOW to eyeball for what's going on with the tires and how that connects to my riding. It helped me get a bit deeper understanding of the bike/rider as an interconnected "system" being applied in the track environment.
Also, it's nice to have an experienced, accomplished racer give some tips and encouragement to a newbie like me. You obviously had plenty to do so I really appreciate that you gave a few minutes of focused attention to offer patient explanations to my novice questions. Thanks again!
Mike Keenan, Detroit USA
You have no idea the tremendous amount of help you have been to me and
the amount of knowledge I have gained from a few simple emails and watching
a couple hours of videos on your site. I can't say thank you enough!
If there is anything I can do to help promote your business/services or even
on a personal level please don't hesitate to ask. You are what every
vendor/supplier/ and instructor should be rolled into one very
I'm sure I will be bugging you again with some simple nonsense I cant
figure out or don't yet understand but I have a base knowledge enough to
discuss, understand, and start the tuning process on my own.
Thank you again Dave,
Simon Quick, UK
I quit racing at club level some 16 years ago after a few big accidents and to be fair I had lost my bottle. I never really paid much attention to bike set and the approach had always been "brake later, accelerate harder and lean it over more..." Which is probably the reason I fell off quite a lot. I decided I wanted another crack at it at the ripe old age of 52, but this time I'm going to concentrate on set up.
I Googled it and came across Dave Moss, this was some 2 years ago now. There was SO MUCH free advice and videos offered and he's known by almost everybody I talk to about it. I must have watched every video 10 times now and read every article even more. I plagued him with questions on Messenger and ALWAYS got a helpful response. I recently had my first out on track again at Donington Park on my road bike which I've now race prepared using Dave's recommended improvements as well as a few toys of my own choosing. It'll only ever be a track bike now.
The first session there were quite a few things that needed attention and during the 6 sessions of the day using his methodical approach I cured or massively improved the bike. It now has no geometry tears, the damping only needed a few tweeks from the base setting I put on it and the tyre wear is almost spot on.
During the course of the day I dropped 15.2 seconds off my lap times, the final session saw every lap consistently within 0.4 seconds of each other and my confidence has gone through the roof... I know there are still loads of improvements to be had, but thanks to Dave I have the confidence and understanding to have a go and I can't thank him enough for sharing his years of experience.
If you're looking to improve your bike be it on the road or on the track, I can definitely recommend Dave's approach and method of setting it up. It won't turn you into Rossi, but it'll give your bike the potential to amaze you, give you tons of confidence and feeling, and the opportunity to show what you can do.
The man is a legend in my book... top bloke 🙂
Thanks Dave, for all your help and guidance.
Venoma Racing, Lithuania
Thank you for your help so much with the remote tuning and 1-1 consultation services! We are young racing team, and we are amazed how you read tires even from photos! We are very grateful for your help this weekend. We won very important race. And tires worked like a charm! Thanks again!
Venoma Racing Team
Pat Nik Ven
I didn’t get a chance to return to ProItalia to thank you again for the tune! I enjoyed the ride so much that I kept going. My Blue R6 actually turns now.
It was a little funny how shocked you looked when I told you I ran it at Buttonwillow with the previous setup. I feel a lot more stable on the bike and my confidence approaching the corners has significantly increased.
Thanks for saving my life. Thanks for doing what you do. And thanks for being the best at it.
From here on out, I only trust Dave Moss with my suspension tuning! Cheers!
Damien BannonThe Set Up...
Dave set up my bike the improvement is unbelievable, I’d recommend anyone who rides get it set up by dave.
Thanks for showing me the process of how to learn; having a ‘map’ of how to approach it. I understand it is a process and a dynamic one over time and changing conditions but now feel I have a better understanding of what/how and why each setting should be approached. I like starting with one thing and changing it 25% and then another +25%, making notes and arriving at too much one way or the other and then working back and forth in smaller increments to find the right setting. As my understanding grows and the fear of unknown goes away with experience I am now confident I will soon have a setup that both works and gets the bike geometry with me on it to work in balance. Today’s ride after two days worth of stop/settings change/start/stop was fantastic, best the bike has ever felt.
Amazing! He’s a great coach, straight forward and honest. Even though my time with him was short, not one second of the whole hour was wasted. He gauges where you are skill wise and adjusts as needed. Got my list to work on. The videos are great!!! He is truly dedicated to helping riders in this industry.